From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 9 14:12:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7554116A41F for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:12:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from algould@datawok.com) Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF61A43D46 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:12:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from algould@datawok.com) Received: from [206.255.31.21] (helo=grokwell.org) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.34) id 1Evxkk-0008Fu-TE; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:12:07 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:12:09 -0600 From: "Andrew L. Gould" To: Nikolas Britton Message-ID: <20060109081209.114ce611@grokwell.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.13 (GTK+ 2.6.9; i386-portbld-freebsd6.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-ELNK-Trace: ee791d459e3d6817d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc4c6d7c556719886987eae93b4d07f0af350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.255.31.21 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:50:38 +0000 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, speedydemon@shadowdev.org, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?bor?= , Frank Laszlo , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6vesd=E1n_G=E1?= Subject: Re: Flash Petition (Was Re: FreeBSD as a Desktop Article) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:12:11 -0000 On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:32:48 -0600 Nikolas Britton wrote: > On 1/8/06, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote: > > > > > On 1/5/06, Frank Laszlo wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> K=F6vesd=E1n G=E1bor wrote: > > >>> Nikolas Britton wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> On 1/4/06, James Cornell wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> never mind, I just made one so go sign it!!! > > >>>> http://www.petitiononline.com/flash4me/petition.html > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> I've signed it and posted it to a Hungarian open-source > > >>> community, but I think it would be nice if somebody from the > > >>> doc team can add it to the news on the website, so I cc'd > > >>> freebsd-doc@, I hope this helps geting Adobe to release a > > >>> working Flash for FreeBSD. > > >>> > > >>> Regards, > > >>> > > >>> Gabor Kovesdan > > >> > > >> Not to rain on the parade, but since when has one of those online > > >> petitions done any good? > > >> > > > > > > It may be trivial but at least I did something to rectify it. > > > Talking about are problems will get us nowhere unless we also do. > > > Do you have a better plan of action? > > > > The problem is, anyone can sign a petition, even those that don't, > > nor will ever, use the software, which is what makes them > > meaningless :( > > > > You really need to get someone on the inside that is using FreeBSD > > and push from that direction ... unless its a product you can pay > > for, and then you make the dollars speak for you ... >=20 > I make all IT, purchasing, decisions at my company. I suspect most > other senior IT folk also make or have strong influence in, > purchasing, decisions at their company's. What are the demographics > for people who use FreeBSD? I suspect a higher then normal percentage > of senior IT folk make up the ranks. Here's an excellent example of > the point I'm trying to make: Last year my company wanted to build a > flash website. I put my foot down and said no, not everyone can use or > see flash websites. Macromedia lost a $999 dollar sale. >=20 > > > > What about the FreeBSD Foundation ... maybe something that they can > > organize? >=20 > I'm all for that and other organisations getting involved, maybe they > can actually do something too. How about a campaign where every time a FreeBSD user comes across a Flash website, he/she sends the webmaster an email stating that we can't see their content because Flash is not available for FreeBSD? I wonder if we could generate a noticeable volume. Andrew