From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 4 02:40:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B510A37B401 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 02:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vhost109.his.com (vhost109.his.com [216.194.225.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF61743FBF for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 02:40:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (localhost.his.com [127.0.0.1]) by vhost109.his.com (8.12.6p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h749eQtU091160 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 05:40:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030803.235155.123970624.imp@bsdimp.com> References: <20030731045030.GH33447@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20030731093031.17deae97.ltning@anduin.net> <20030804044432.GV95375@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20030803.235155.123970624.imp@bsdimp.com> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:37:44 +0200 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org From: Brad Knowles Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: Re: Lucent IBSS mode doesn't work in -CURRENT? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 09:40:34 -0000 At 11:51 PM -0600 2003/08/03, M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: <20030804044432.GV95375@wantadilla.lemis.com> > "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" writes: > > : On Thursday, 31 July 2003 at 9:30:31 +0200, Eirik Oeverby wrote: > : > > : > Oh and btw.. Get the *latest* firmware onto all your cards. That is > : > essential for anything to work right at all.. > : > : That sounds wrong to me. If it worked before, and it doesn't now, > : that's not the fault of the firmware. > > Quit harping on it, ok. We know there's a bug and carping like this > makes me less willing to find and fix it. I'm confused. I agree that I have sometimes found Greg to be a bit annoying, but it seems to me that he's asking a perfectly legitimate question -- if things worked fine in the past (including the firmware versions at the time), and they don't work now, then why is a firmware update needed? I would ask: What changed so that things broke, and why can't we go back to the way things worked before? Please, this is a serious question. I'm not running 5.x yet on my in-house server/laptop, but I hope to soon (once I get some more servers in the house on which I can be more conservative), and a Lucent WaveLAN gold is definitely one of the things I plan on sticking in there to play with. I really want this to work, and I don't understand how we got to the situation we're in today. Can you explain things to me, perhaps in a somewhat simpler fashion, so that I might understand, and maybe even help? -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)