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On 8/12/2025 08:51, Bob Bishop wrote:<= br> 
Hi,


On 12 Aug 2025, at 12:40, =
Karl Denninger <karl@denninger.net> wrote:

Well, ok, "sort-of" embedded systems.  Think firewalls.
Right now I build a USB stick-based setup for these on NanoBSD and, for s=
ome other hardware in somewhat-similar applications (e.g. home control, e=
tc.) for the PI series using Crochet.
/var is volatile on both where /usr/local/etc has a "save" mechanism (alo=
ng with /etc) in both environments; that is, its volatile while running, =
but can be instructed to sync with the saved copy thus on a reboot/reset/=
powerloss the last-saved is retained.
A couple of times I've concluded the "best" way to deal with things that =
dump state they'd like to keep in /var somewhere (usually in /var/db), wh=
ere the "thing" doesn't have a command-line switch to change that, is to =
move that directory to /usr/local/etc/db and then symlink it during the s=
etup, thus it becomes "volatile but subject to save" as with anything els=
e in /usr/local/etc.

We used to do that kind of thing. Now that storage, RAM and 64bit boxes a=
re cheap we just use a full install on ZFS and make everything except the=
 volatile bits read-only=E2=80=A6

Its not so much a "how cheap is the resource" problem (yes, that's gotten a lot cheaper over time) its a "the box MUST come back online after an unsolicited power event."

That in turn means the physical volume cannot be open for write, particularly in the instance of a volume that co-mingles various metadata that is internal to the device itself (e.g. an SSD which does its own internal wear leveling and such.)=C2=A0 95% of the tim= e IMHO isn't good enough.

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