From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 23 13:07:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D289616A41C for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:07:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from trans-warp.net (hyperion.trans-warp.net [216.37.208.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887D543D5C for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:07:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsilver@chrononomicon.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unverified [65.193.73.208]) by trans-warp.net (SurgeMail 2.2g3) with ESMTP id 13512448 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:04:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <42BA8F5D.5040504@pacific.net.sg> References: <42BA8F5D.5040504@pacific.net.sg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6746e951d40d80da52354be33bac9507@chrononomicon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bart Silverstrim Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:07:47 -0400 To: questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Authenticated-User: bsilver@chrononomicon.com Cc: Subject: Re: Explaining FreeBSD features X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:07:52 -0000 On Jun 23, 2005, at 6:30 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >>>> Why should I study the drivers manual before getting a >>>> drivers license? >>> >>> I do not know why people do it. I just learned driving in a >>> deserted place. >> I didn't say "learned driving" I said "get a license" You have >> to learn what's in the manual to pass the test to get the license. > I also never studied that one. With other words: there is more than > one way to get the knowledge. And so many ways never to learn the full potential of the tools you're using. >> It's not a question of trust, it's a question of do I understand what >> is going to happen. I find post-operative pain a lot easier to bear >> when I know why it's hurting. > I do not bother to understand as long they say it is all right. Ignorance is bliss. Letting others think for us gives away responsibility and power, but hey, it's less work than thinking. It is for this reason that sysadmins end up having to clamp down so hard on so many desktop systems in organizations. You don't want the responsibility of knowing why you shouldn't be doing this, so we'll simply not allow it anymore. Why can't I get this attachment? Because you like clicking before thinking. Why can't I change my color schemes around? Because you ask for help and it makes other people's eyes go wonky reading purple-on-pink text. Why can't I save documents here instead of there? Because we've warned people that area isn't backed up, you lost a file, and threw a fit when it couldn't be restored. Eventually you HAVE to turn the workstation into some kiosk-esque etch-a-sketch to keep them from screwing up their workstations with their random click-click-click. Living in ignorance, and worse, being told that it's right to live in a state of ignorance, brings us to the state we're in today in the US. Everything is designed for idiots, we expect to legislate morality and intelligence (if it's harmful, we should ban it, make it illegal, or put so many warning stickers on it that only someone with the IQ of butter could operate it). >> Ah, but help on who's terms? Telling a newbie to RTFM for an answer >> that >> he asks which is in the manual IS help. > Yes, it is help. But how dumb does a person have to be if this is of > real help? I don't know the population of Estonia but knowing where to find the information can be of more help than memorizing that (changing) fact. More often than not it's not a matter of a person being dumb as much as it is just being lazy. Why read for help when we can ask a short, pointed, and specific question to "experts" and have them answer just my specific floating in the forefront of my head question right now? It's of real help to try to get people to actually think on their own, and use the groups to clarify questions or share experiences or practical application information. But I'm sure we're all guilty of asking questions when our needs would have been met by just RTFM at some point. Or at least getting the pointer of where in TFM to look to cut down on the search time.