From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 4 20:25:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA10677 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:25:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA10651 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:25:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA08212; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:23:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: John Reynolds~ cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: linux world contemplate packages ... In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 04 May 1998 15:26:45 PDT." <13646.16397.40516.303293@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 20:23:35 -0700 Message-ID: <8208.894338615@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I just saw this on slashdot.org: > > http://slashdot.org/articles/9804041623214.shtml Blech. I don't participate in dicussions there because their braindead (sorry, braindead) discussion threader makes it too darn difficult to figure out where the discussion is at any given point and which of the many independent threads one should reply to. It's just not worth the hassle when I can just stick to NEWS (which has its own problems, yes, but at least they're tractable ones for me). In any case, I don't see anything in any of the discussion there that hasn't been said before and in considerably more detail. Everyone basically knows what the All Singing All Dancing package manager of the future is supposed to do and they also know that RPMs, DEBs TGZs and all the other current packaging formats are *first generation* efforts which are deeply in need of moving on to the second generation. Even the staunchest adherent to any of the current package standards will admit that there's a growing list of wish list items for their pet standard, some of which are quite important (like signatures, better "auditing" of changes, improved [or any] provisions for updates, etc), that really need to go into the 2nd generation effort. We finished our own 1st generation packaging technology several years back and are now simply struggling with having become stuck on our way to implementing the 2nd. :( In any case, it's forward rather than lateral movement that we need right now and switching to someone else's 1st generation technology would be an example of lateral (if not backward) movement. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message