From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 15 16:26:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from threespace.com (server44.aitcom.net [208.234.0.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122C237B430 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:26:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from vwinxp.threespace.com (ip68-11-176-217.br.no.cox.net [68.11.176.217]) by threespace.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA30559 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:30:35 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020315181331.01b26160@threespace.com> X-Sender: tech@threespace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:25:34 -0600 To: FreeBSD Chat From: Chip Morton Subject: Re: Free BSD In-Reply-To: <20020315001207.C178@peckdani-2.user.msu.edu> References: <20020314204235.L152-100000@pogo.caustic.org> <15505.28725.937368.158235@guru.mired.org> <20020314204235.L152-100000@pogo.caustic.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:12 PM 3/14/2002, Dan Peck wrote: >http://www.osopinion.com/perl/story/16564.html On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 at 16:00:23 Paul Beard wrote: >Anyway, I count 79 window manager entries in /usr/ports/x11-wm on one of >my FreeBSD boxes. Add to that the themes and skins that you can add, and >there has to be something for just about everyone. KDE2 and fvwm have the >Windows[tm] emulation thing down so starting with one of them might make sense. I read Jef Raskin's comments, and even though I've heard this opinion expressed before I don't understand them. If every window manager out there has done it wrong, why doesn't Raskin put his money where his mouth is and provide us with his vision of the humane GUI? I know that he's written his thoughts/experience in his book, but why not give us an implementation to show the uneducated masses his superior methodology at work? Furthermore, given that most GUIs have pretty much become standard in terms of the placement and use of various widgets and window decorations, wouldn't radical changes to them essentially run counter to the standardization that he argues is so beneficial? It's like the argument for Dvorak keyboards all over again; QWERTY may not be as efficient, but got so accustomed to it that displacing it became unlikely. << Chip Morton >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message