From owner-cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 29 10:27:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-src@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500B716A4CE; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:27:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE6BA43D1F; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:27:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iATAPE77018091; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 05:25:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (robert@localhost)iATAPE5l018088; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:25:14 GMT (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:25:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <200411290132.iAT1WAse056942@repoman.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: cvs-src@FreeBSD.org cc: src-committers@FreeBSD.org cc: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/boot/i386/loader Makefile loader.rc X-BeenThere: cvs-src@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the src tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:27:16 -0000 On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Scott Long wrote: > Disable the beastie menu. It offends some and annoys everyone else, and I'm > frankly tired of the controversy. When people ask me why FreeBSD isn't user- > friendly, I'll tell them that I tried. RIP. I thought that most of the objections I heard were to the Beastie, not the menu, but perhaps I misunderstood... The only technical objection I've had to the menu is that the clear screen it issues before rendering causes some terminal emulators to loose some scroll back, suggesting we might want to generate a CR, 25 LF's, then pick up with the menu to push the console contents present previously outside the area cleared. I've seen one or two bug reports where panic messages have been obscured as a result of the clear screen but that's easy to work around. FWIW, I think the menu is a very good idea, as it provides users wth an easy option to disable ACPI and try variations on hardware probing on i386, which sadly, is highly necessary. Especially with the 2-4 year old generation of machine that is typically available to "experiment with" and suffers from the worst ACPI quirkiness. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Projects robert@fledge.watson.org Principal Research Scientist, McAfee Research