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Date:      Sun, 8 Apr 2001 10:32:40 +0200
From:      Andreas Klemm <andreas@FreeBSD.ORG>
To:        joeo@cracktown.com
Cc:        freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, xpert@xfree86.org
Subject:   Re: which pci 3d accelerator card to choose for XFree86-4
Message-ID:  <20010408103240.B65525@titan.klemm.gtn.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0104071512540.4410-100000@asmodean.nks.net>; from joeo@cracktown.com on Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 03:22:43PM -0400
References:  <20010407183738.A14928@titan.klemm.gtn.com> <Pine.LNX.4.30.0104071512540.4410-100000@asmodean.nks.net>

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On Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 03:22:43PM -0400, joeo@cracktown.com wrote:
> For a PCI bus 3D card that mostly works today on FreeBSD and uses
> XFree86-4.0.x pick up a PCI bus Voodoo4.
>=20
> One of a couple of different web sites that talk about getting it up and
> running is at...
> http://www.teleport.com/~anholt/devel/dri/
>=20
> You could also try asking around on "freebsd-multimedia"
>=20
> The only other card that had some working 3D support for FreeBSD in
> XF4.0.2 was the G400, but the DMA mechanisms that the DRI architecture
> uses in that version of XFree86 pretty much require that it be an AGP
> card.

Thanks for that useful information.

But what applications use dri under X-Windows ...
X-Windows itself, gnome, ??? I'm usually not the typical
Quake gamer under FreeBSD ;-))

Concerning games ... I'd play them only under Windows.
But only in rare cases ( 3x per year ;-) because I'm lacking the
time and am the opineon that the market is currently missing good
games with a good mixture out of action, role, strategy ...

So a more specific question arises, what card would be faster
under Windows for games and under X11 with normal applications
like Netscape, gimp, gnome based (gtp, imlib) applications.

A Voodoo4 based or a GeForce 2 MX card.

Currently I could get a
	3dfx Voodoo4 4500 bulk		for DM 179 ( ~$90)
	3dfx Voodoo4 4500		for DM 199 ( ~$100)
	Creative GeForce2 MX (Retail)	for DM 299 ( ~$150)

So, are the ~$50 more for the GeForce 2 card worth the money
concerning game performance under Windows (98, ME, 2000) and
normal X11 Applications ?

My first preference is the use under FreeBSD / Xfree86
My second preference is to play some games under my
old Tyan Titan Pro SMP board with 2 Pentium Pro CPUS (2 x 200 MHz)
which doesn't have MMX support, so *if* I play a game under Win ME
or Win2000 it should be as fast as possible since the CPUs are
not the fastest and typical game platforms (98, ME) support only
one CPU.

Unix is not a gaming platform for me. There I would prefer driver
stability and that opaque Window movements are quick without lagging.

	Andreas ///

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