From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 3 20:40:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85C6AA11; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 20:40:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from land.berklix.org (land.berklix.org [144.76.10.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1163E2E44; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 20:40:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p57BCF0F4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.188.240.244]) (authenticated bits=128) by land.berklix.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r93Kefk1041046; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 20:40:42 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r93KeUH3005855; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 22:40:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost.js.berklix.net [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r93KeIjd030291; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 22:40:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201310032040.r93KeIjd030291@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Eitan Adler Subject: Re: About FreeBSD.org visitors From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Thu, 03 Oct 2013 11:14:48 EDT." Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 22:40:18 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , FBSD Doc project X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 20:40:46 -0000 Hi, Eitan Adler wrote: > Here is an overview of the people that visit FreeBSD.org: > http://people.freebsd.org/~eadler/files/Report-10.01.pdf > > Some takeaways: > > - More than half (60%) the people that come to our website leave > without going to another page (called 'bouncing'). However these > users spend more time than any other user per page. > - Non-bouncing users had an average of just over 4 pages per session > but spent about an average of 0.86/s per page. They spend most of > their time on the last page. > > >From these I think we can take away that most people come looking for > something very specific. > How can we fix this? Thanks for raising the interest Eitan. I've always considered the 'new' (2005) FreeBSD web front page bad, obstructive, hiding better simpler pages beyond. I've always assumed the front page detered some newcomers, so much so I've often told people to ignore the nasty front page as best they can. Pre 2005 was better http://www.berklix.org/freebsd.org/ (Disclaimer: I had no hand in pre or post 2005 front page). 2005 was first knocked up by a summer student to then fashionable corporate bland style. Probably he'd just been taught that's what industry wanted, was polishing his resume, & showing he knew HTML tricks, eg a squint eyed font size. I recall some FreeBSD people then were taking themselves too seriously, & finding a corporate style web page projected a supposed serious [business style] image they liked. Sigh. PS Ref. squint eyed web page: One should Leave the default font size - default size ! not shrunken ! The reader should decide what size he/she wants to scale his browser, not have some fool young web page writer who knows nothing of readers eye condition force some readers to squint. By all means add some href'd A A A (ref http://www.bbc.co.uk/accessibility/ ) But leave font default size Not shrunken by default. Having "Site Map" in light grey font is dumb ! Harder to read. Not all eyes are young, though most web designers are. "Site Map" should move next to Search box. FreeBSD is not flogging products to suits, we're promoting a free & fun OS & experience, with intellectual challenge/ opportunity. Catch the interest of techies/ nerds/ geeks/ hackers browsing mid evening now, & next year we catch their business bosses, who they tell "Hey you could make/ save money leveraging on this"; But a corporate format squint eyed front page is not going to attract lots of casual browsers to read on, whether they're hackers or suits. Colour: A spot more colour would be nicer (aka 2005) (though I do Not mean eg Dark blue or red text on black background one occasionaly sees :-) Better use of colour : Remove all the excremental directives that precede Better search maybe? Certainly needed ! Search on FreeBSD.org has been half broken for many years, often little or nothing useful & lot of irrlevance , I prefer an external search engine & tell it to look on freebsd.org domain. I imagine there will be 2 camps: to keep our internal search, & for external search, so I suggest put a 2nd search box parallel to the first, & let people searching choose. After I saw Net & Open had integrated a google box on their sites years back (& it worked better than FreeBSD internal search), I added external search on http://www.berklix.org - it was quick easy. (I know monopolies eg google are bad, so if anyone knows alternative search engines easy to embed, let's hear ? (I have a list of some searchers here, maybe some have interfaces ? : http://berklix.com/search/ )) > Improved navigation bar? > Its up to you to work on this. Toss the front page, Start over in the style of 2005 > - New users spend a lot *less* time on the site than repeat visitors. I'd expect that. > Do we need better advocacy data? Less text to confuse new users? Remove irrelevance like "new commiter" to a developers page or drop down menu, it's Not of wide public interest. Regular column "Upcoming Events" usually has too much wated white space. In the first sentence we lose the public: "FreeBSD is an advanced operating system for modern server, desktop, and embedded computer platforms." Platforms ? FreeBSD is good for trains ? Study tabloid newspapers. Keep titles short ! Avoid Americanisms where often more verbose than English. s/Upcoming Events/Events[ Coming]/ or /Future Events/ (8/6 ;-) s/Latest News/News/ Or also offer "Boring Old News" ;-) s/Get FreeBSD Now/Get FreeBSD/ Or also offer Get Next Month ;-) s/In The Media/Press/ s/a large team of individuals/a large team/ 'individuals' is implicit. "Based on BSD UNIX 'R'" Add 2 hrefs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix > Is > this trend specific to FreeBSD or is it true across the board? > > - Internet Explorer is 10% of our traffic. > > Many of ours users use Windows as there primary desktop platform. > Probably more if we include not-IE on Windows. > > What other insights do you see? > What other data might be helpful for us? > > -- > Eitan Adler Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with "> ". Send plain text. No quoted-printable, HTML, base64, multipart/alternative.