From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 24 21:34:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D11B10656DE for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:34:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lacombar@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABDF08FC24 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:34:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbdr11 with SMTP id dr11so4857689wgb.31 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:34:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=9dmw5UnX89UPtUtU6Jd2EE0zPGUo0ZsMZIDDMlvvgqY=; b=f9eBWtIU4zvDbELhAuRT6rpd/iFrFfADV2EDvNRBRQUhE1+dL2fZWkZnJl7c1k7bnR 2FyIFoJ6QATHH85V+P4MXn/6vaTWrcOXSFb99XkCOt+9HJfQ6cnCpoAsz4oWpBQCyNpY Vt2PsnpqpYj0ktAQRzlWJdrSuFvJ5f0ogT/b0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.108.232 with SMTP id hn8mr23901450wib.16.1327440840671; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:34:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.82.2 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:34:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120124211011.GA3528@lonesome.com> References: <20120124211011.GA3528@lonesome.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:34:00 -0500 Message-ID: From: Arnaud Lacombe To: Mark Linimon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:34:02 -0000 Hi, On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Mark Linimon wrote: >> On 24 January 2012 18:36, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: >> It is less a problem of having the tools than having the will to do >> everything publicly. From experience, committers loves to do all kind >> of things privately/secretly. > > Perhaps it's human nature because of all the increasingly nit-picky, passive- > agressive, whiny, sarcastic, and generally asinine postings such as yours. > You are indeed right. However, I might just be also interested to review/comment code, discuss regressions, and architecture, for a change ;-) Unfortunately, such threads rarely ever happens. Most of the time, the only food provided is a really indigestible +5000/-3000 patch, where all the thinking, architectural design and code has been done behind closed door of a limited few committers, research lab or company. regards. - Arnaud