From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 27 16:57:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C8616A4CE for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:57:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web51605.mail.yahoo.com (web51605.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6777743D1F for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:57:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pfgshield-freebsd@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 38701 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Apr 2005 16:57:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=f8TNC0Qib6F1JCcb+r6mzyxShxBSd1W/MYuenzcz/sqxlHTngRoTVExKx6AYqj/XItOP0XrEUZeaI920bKc0dXVHSn1xHMIMCbcT2BpfQg2POjLSuqh+a5TvvsIpPAHgWY85YdVvD9Rjujy5Zo1sHQuJ+YYgFtvMpE3rzTIZXBA= ; Message-ID: <20050427165701.38699.qmail@web51605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.119.103.202] by web51605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:57:01 CEST Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:57:01 +0200 (CEST) From: To: Alexander Leidinger In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:05:09 +0000 cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 6 is coming too fast X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: pfgshield-freebsd@yahoo.com List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:57:03 -0000 --- Alexander Leidinger wrote: > pfgshield-freebsd@yahoo.com wrote: > > > - Bad press towards the 5.x series. > > If it doesn't mentions 5.3 explicitely, it doesn't apply. > It was an article that appeared on osnews.com, it mention 5.3 explicitly evreything I read there turned to be false. > > - phk's axe broke one of my favorite ports and I didn't want to spend > > another 6 months "fixing" it. > > You failed to tell which port you are talking about. > Well.. I emailed phk about it and was ignored, the problem was PR'd, and even when I have an ugly workaround for it, the specific port (x11-toolkits/xview) was further broken by make changes. I fixed that port before (not much fun), and while I can accept that things may break, I find the "what I broke is not my problem" attitude unacceptable. > > - I wanted to use XFree86-4 and building it on my own and figuring out the > > library mess later is not an option. > > We still have the XFree86-4 port, and AFAIK it still works (everything else > is a bug). You just have to set a variable in make.conf to make it the > default. > Well.. while updating from 5.2.1 to 5.3 I esentially had to remove all packages and install XFree86-4 (which is not in the ISO). I decided it was easier to move to 4.11. > > - Although outdated, the downloadable java support package was available > > for 4.x only. > > It should work on 5.3-release too. At least there was an effort to get it > working, and AFAIK they succeeded. > hmm the diablo-jdk13 port says: .if ${OSVERSION} >= 502112 ECHO_MSG= ${ECHO_CMD} IGNORE= does not run on FreeBSD >= 5.x .endif > > The next time just remember: Everything is possible, you just have to ask if > you don't know how to do it yourself. > Well..sometimes you just want a stable development environment and to avoid pain if at all possible. I have no use for SMP support (or GEOM) and FreeBSD 4.x has given me so much satisfaction all these years that it was a temptation difficult to resist. Anyway after going to 4.11, the point is.. I do recommend 5.x, it's better than 4.x. While here, let me mention what I think about gcc4.0 and FreeBSD 6.0: FreeBSD 6.0 should be able to be built with gcc 4.x even when it's not a good idea to have it as the default compiler. cheers, Pedro. ___________________________________ Nuovo Yahoo! Messenger: E' molto più divertente: Audibles, Avatar, Webcam, Giochi, Rubrica… Scaricalo ora! http://it.messenger.yahoo.it