Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 02:41:29 +0900 (JST) From: Mori Hiroki <yamori813@yahoo.co.jp> To: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> Cc: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: One last item: CNS1102 support removal Message-ID: <31342.89059.qm@web103904.mail.ssk.yahoo.co.jp> In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfrp%2B0HTsW2dWCsTi4zr3wQeo=6W%2B-3-fBLDovpJUCoJyQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <CANCZdfqYRPKTRBjWLM5K=qd1OAMGqFiKeQDBcWgORA5kxh_uLQ@mail.gmail.com> <527924.35248.qm@web103919.mail.ssk.yahoo.co.jp> <CANCZdfrp%2B0HTsW2dWCsTi4zr3wQeo=6W%2B-3-fBLDovpJUCoJyQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi=0A=0Asys/arm/ralink is work fine. Please do not remove this.=0A=0AWhy do= you want remove armv5t ? armv5t is still alive.=A0=0A=0AThanks=0A=0AHiroki= Mori=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message -----=0A>From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp= .com>=0A>To: Mori Hiroki <yamori813@yahoo.co.jp> =0A>Cc: "freebsd-arm@freeb= sd.org" <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org>=0A>Date: 2018/7/19, Thu 02:37=0A>Subject:= Re: One last item: CNS1102 support removal=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On = Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:37 AM, Mori Hiroki <yamori813@yahoo.co.jp> wrote:=0A= >=0A>Hi.=0A>>=0A>>I make fdt eventtimer intrng to cns11xx.=0A>>=0A>>https:/= /gist.github.com/ yamori813/ ae047a28a825aac255e436fd8ccaf7 85=0A>>=0A>>=0A= >>Still not work...=0A>>=0A>>Clang is very slow on cross compile. It's take= 7 hour.=0A>>=0A>>My cns11xx target Planex MZK-W04G is 64MByte ram.=0A>>=0A= >=0A>=0A>OK. I could only find a board with 16MB. 64MB is barely enough the= se days to do useful things with FreeBSD unless you're a super user.=0A>=A0= =0A>It's bigger than rt1310 target.=0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A>There's no RALINK kerne= l config I could find, even though the rt1310 code is in the tree. What hav= e I missed?=0A>=A0=0A>I almost abandon...=0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A>So are you abando= ning both platforms? Or just CNS1102?=0A>=0A>=0A>Are you OK with removing o= ne or both of these platforms?=0A>=0A>=0A>Warner=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Hiroki = Mori=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>----- Original Message -----=0A>>> From: Warner Losh <im= p@bsdimp.com>=0A>>> To: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org>= =0A>>> Cc: =0A>>> Date: 2018/7/18, Wed 22:58=0A>>> Subject: One last item: = CNS1102 support removal=0A>>> =0A>>>T here's one last item in arm land for = 12 I'd like to remove: The Econa /=0A>>> Cavium CN1102 support.=0A>>> =0A>>= > It's literally received no updates since it was committed in 2010, apart= =0A>>> from others doing kernel sweeps. It's unmaintained. Strike one.=0A>>= > =0A>>> Second, it will be the last armv4 port in the tree after I remove = Atmel. We=0A>>> haven't had FreeBSD running on armv4 Atmel since FreeBSD 8.= Strike two.=0A>>> =0A>>> Third, the original machines were released in 200= 5 or 2006. There's only=0A>>> one known board, according to https://wikidev= i.com/wiki/ Cavium, and it came=0A>>> with only 16MB. So it's old and doesn= 't have much RAM. While barely=0A>>> possible, in theory, to run FreeBSD/ar= m in 16MB, it's a huge PITA. Strike=0A>>> three.=0A>>> =0A>>> Forth, I can = find no mention of it in the archives or bug database. Strike=0A>>> four.= =0A>>> =0A>>> I'm lead to the conclusion that this is no longer maintained,= has no users,=0A>>> the hardware it was in has insufficient resources to r= un FreeBSD well and=0A>>> these things are unlikely to change. Therefore, w= e should remove it.=0A>>> =0A>>> Comments?=0A>>> =0A>>> Warner=0A>>> ______= ________________________ _________________=0A>>> freebsd-arm@freebsd.org ma= iling list=0A>>> https://lists.freebsd.org/ mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arm=0A= >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arm-unsubscribe@ freebsd.org"= =0A>>> =0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A> From owner-freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Wed Jul 18 18:01:20 2018 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-arm@freebsd.org> Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C6D102BD31 for <freebsd-arm@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org>; Wed, 18 Jul 2018 18:01:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-io0-x231.google.com (mail-io0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48E2485AD8 for <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org>; Wed, 18 Jul 2018 18:01:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-io0-x231.google.com with SMTP id z19-v6so4835446ioh.4 for <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org>; Wed, 18 Jul 2018 11:01:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=SYGZ9yi5E85xBnsZiwf780Fh6IICUnAixPUz7PzarS4=; b=Qlz8RM52zN+GGPLghrHUCSZrYEeqTk1kMRgyDS2OtaPUyW3BNjAC4jlKjXChtUuhTZ f9v6egnPLqLC1k66PbkS68FJ4umf33KOSAehiNQx9jA6f/9+q612JhUddYLZRuDOGG2C AHCfKEYbNooJOBtwStiANyLL7QBPZzBr57jwGHTQJCH8DTgVDXrq/x/Z9dhc2YSS4DqS filn4FbFlZKmpaZ9lddOD6oxv8/CIVTc5bp0AxlLMbA4Yz+IgUW/PAkrIdAqoatcWxxf qT2kAkrRF4SYGDe3sIOwzkQBOHgWphhgtcZX6bxvpL9AssnFDS3xK/BrzxRmmmdXIkil pKeQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=SYGZ9yi5E85xBnsZiwf780Fh6IICUnAixPUz7PzarS4=; b=ambXhClLs63Xv9TN+qBPOb6BsF6VKutQzUSGZIovqLoyff7wU1aMwq5fTHXKLtfcnU mG6j1460F/B0NNtXg/dMgB4L4IGSRiW2xUrInhk+YfRaF/Uf8Bu8ef4d8MSAOgjfp+WX BOqD2LrmQiTOS/WqGNQaq/3cWbWPhsxm7cNKDd9n6RP5l/vy/4lRGYIMZj4YZuNb/QT0 OxYb/t4VgrdTJNn2yj4wiyAwIERbCFbOQjzZRHw+aNchm0WnZzioCIReRvIw7hz1VUuB nVhLnQX7Nf8HKpUpkhcD9J4dE9HmX511Hy5PE2sf4UkJNh40tIsPYR1vleBmFNUePiJm h6Jg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlGr6MbhWiadtDQ0EVD+8DjIHwhskMxRwQRPNusEgvGD47LcYdWm l/jJTDQDE+78kR1gpo6bxWRcYAOZn1nmwxXA/Sqd3A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA+uWPwbB/3g04jpHSsmTeXikzXWaunJ8+yBtTutqdPsBIKa8g86YyoCZiPCQPWE4XtUWthTmbzy3mK4FRbWYDC5zFI= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:d004:: with SMTP id x4-v6mr5695167ioa.299.1531936878555; Wed, 18 Jul 2018 11:01:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 2002:a4f:1183:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2018 11:01:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [2603:300b:6:5100:1052:acc7:f9de:2b6d] In-Reply-To: <31342.89059.qm@web103904.mail.ssk.yahoo.co.jp> References: <CANCZdfqYRPKTRBjWLM5K=qd1OAMGqFiKeQDBcWgORA5kxh_uLQ@mail.gmail.com> <527924.35248.qm@web103919.mail.ssk.yahoo.co.jp> <CANCZdfrp+0HTsW2dWCsTi4zr3wQeo=6W+-3-fBLDovpJUCoJyQ@mail.gmail.com> <31342.89059.qm@web103904.mail.ssk.yahoo.co.jp> From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 12:01:18 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Nww71igm_R2ncYJIwD6Q8G0BDkk Message-ID: <CANCZdfoo0eZTzZJhYVAjG0sRtRxo8+ZSCtEs0m6_066gosZnYw@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: One last item: CNS1102 support removal To: Mori Hiroki <yamori813@yahoo.co.jp> Cc: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "Porting FreeBSD to ARM processors." <freebsd-arm.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-arm>, <mailto:freebsd-arm-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arm/>; List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-arm@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-arm-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arm>, <mailto:freebsd-arm-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 18:01:20 -0000 On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:41 AM, Mori Hiroki <yamori813@yahoo.co.jp> wrote: > Hi > > sys/arm/ralink is work fine. Please do not remove this. > OK. Do you have a kernel config file we can commit to the tree? I don't even know if it compiles, apart from your dmesg posts. I wasn't sure based on your email, so I thought I'd ask for clarification. CNS1102 is 922T which is armv4. I couldn't even find an eval board to try to boot it on, nor any board with more than 16MB on the consumer gear that it's in on ebay. And it's always a pain to get stuff on gear of that era unless you get lucky... > Why do you want remove armv5t ? armv5t is still alive. > The number of users on armv5t is declining. We're not removing it for 12 (since there's several known users), but will have a discussion about that after we branch 12 whether or not we'll keep it for 13. Since there are users, we need to understand the impact of keeping the port or retiring it on them. Unlike these early parts where there's no known users... Warner > Thanks > > Hiroki Mori > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> > *To:* Mori Hiroki <yamori813@yahoo.co.jp> > *Cc:* "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org> > *Date:* 2018/7/19, Thu 02:37 > *Subject:* Re: One last item: CNS1102 support removal > > > > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:37 AM, Mori Hiroki <yamori813@yahoo.co.jp> > wrote: > > Hi. > > I make fdt eventtimer intrng to cns11xx. > > https://gist.github.com/ yamori813/ ae047a28a825aac255e436fd8ccaf7 85 > <https://gist.github.com/yamori813/ae047a28a825aac255e436fd8ccaf785>; > > > Still not work... > > Clang is very slow on cross compile. It's take 7 hour. > > My cns11xx target Planex MZK-W04G is 64MByte ram. > > > OK. I could only find a board with 16MB. 64MB is barely enough these days > to do useful things with FreeBSD unless you're a super user. > > > It's bigger than rt1310 target. > > > There's no RALINK kernel config I could find, even though the rt1310 code > is in the tree. What have I missed? > > > I almost abandon... > > > So are you abandoning both platforms? Or just CNS1102? > > Are you OK with removing one or both of these platforms? > > Warner > > > Hiroki Mori > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> > > To: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org> > > Cc: > > Date: 2018/7/18, Wed 22:58 > > Subject: One last item: CNS1102 support removal > > > >T here's one last item in arm land for 12 I'd like to remove: The Econa / > > Cavium CN1102 support. > > > > It's literally received no updates since it was committed in 2010, apart > > from others doing kernel sweeps. It's unmaintained. Strike one. > > > > Second, it will be the last armv4 port in the tree after I remove Atmel. > We > > haven't had FreeBSD running on armv4 Atmel since FreeBSD 8. Strike two. > > > > Third, the original machines were released in 2005 or 2006. There's only > > one known board, according to https://wikidevi.com/wiki/ Cavium > <https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Cavium>, and it came > > with only 16MB. So it's old and doesn't have much RAM. While barely > > possible, in theory, to run FreeBSD/arm in 16MB, it's a huge PITA. Strike > > three. > > > > Forth, I can find no mention of it in the archives or bug database. > Strike > > four. > > > > I'm lead to the conclusion that this is no longer maintained, has no > users, > > the hardware it was in has insufficient resources to run FreeBSD well and > > these things are unlikely to change. Therefore, we should remove it. > > > > Comments? > > > > Warner > > ______________________________ _________________ > > freebsd-arm@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/ mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arm > <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arm>; > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arm-unsubscribe@ freebsd.org > <freebsd-arm-unsubscribe@freebsd.org>" > > > > > > >
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