Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 15:48:06 -0500 From: Julian Zottl <jzottl@radiantnetworks.net> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem Message-ID: <CACen7wOwqyRTgHhv_Y47pSeyhm0wZTy%2BpF3Rhs9W33j=AToKYQ@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <201803071144.w27BiLeb086509@fire.js.berklix.net> References: <20180306020515.GA4294@lonesome.com> <201803071144.w27BiLeb086509@fire.js.berklix.net>
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So I'll ask a stupid question: Why not base it off of the millions of CoC's already out there? https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct.html is a good start. Yes, it's a commercial company, but it could easily be modified. The CoC as it stands is ridiculous. Here is my contribution to helping. Don't call out inclusion, it should naturally happen with an open CoC. I like the KISS method of working. We want the FreeBSD Project to be a venue where people can work together to make the best operating system, built by a strong community. These values extend beyond just development to all aspects of the Project. This code applies equally to everyone representing the FreeBSD Project in any way, from new members, to committers, to the core team itself. These rules are intended to ensure everyone feels welcome both working within, and interacting with, the Project. This document is a guide to make it easier to enrich all of us and the technical communities in which we participate. 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If you aren=E2=80=99t sure, don=E2= =80=99t be afraid to ask questions of the FreeBSD Ethics & Compliance group. And remember=E2=80=A6 don=E2=80=99t be evil, and if you see something that = you think isn=E2=80=99t right =E2=80=93 speak up! Not really that hard, eh? ---- Julian On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 6:44 AM, Julian H. Stacey <jhs@berklix.com> wrote: > Mark Linimon wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 05, 2018 at 11:46:59PM +0100, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > > I agree with the other person's thoughts that FreeBSD fixes uncommite= d > > > for years destroys incentive to file more fixes. > > > > I do not know anyone who disagrees with this. > > > > The issue is how to get people involved with this utterly thankless tas= k. > > > > And, even if the backlog were to suddenly disappear, we still get more > > PRs per day than we can effectively handle. > > > > One person is not going to be enough to fix this -- and I know, because > > in the past, I've tried being that one person. > > > > > If so, it would be nice if FreeBSD Foundation got a refund for CoC > > > & spent it on a a student janitor to clear up years old send-pr's. > > > > There is a false equivalence here, that time spent on the CoC somehow > > took time away from working on PRs. I don't detect much overlap betwee= n > > the people that work on the one, vs. the other. > > > > mcl > > Yes, little overlap in skill sets, just money. A non tech paid for > the easy job of writing a CoC couldn't do send-pr clearance, though > many a FreeBSD user could write a CoC unpaid, without the bad bits. > > Send-pr clearance is much larger, harder, unattractive compared to text o= r > code creation. Commercial companies get unattractive jobs done using > Money. > FreeBSD Foundation won't have enough money for much send-pr (esp. if > things > like CoC are paid, increasing costs and reducing contributions). > > The Foundation could treat each send-pr cleared like a lottery ticket: > each month some randomised bug clearers would get an unexpected bonus. > Bonus winners advertised monthly on FreeBSD media, encouraging more bug > clearance & more donations to fund it. > > Cheers, > Julian > -- > Julian Stacey, Computer Consultant, Systems Engineer, BSD Linux Unix, > Munich > Brexit Referendum stole 3,700,000 votes, inc. 700,000 from British in EU= . > UK Govt. lied it's "democratic" in Article 50 letter to EU paragraph 3. > Petition for votes: http://berklix.eu/queen/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g > " >
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