Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:26:04 -0700 From: Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org> To: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Cc: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>, Donald Wilde <dwilde1@thuntek.net>, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Treading on toes (was: O'Reilly article: Whence the Source: Untangling the Open Source/Free Software Debate) Message-ID: <4.1.19990311211831.040bc900@localhost> In-Reply-To: <36E89512.C5C28863@softweyr.com> References: <4.1.19990311140839.00b25250@localhost> <Your <4.1.19990311093845.00989ee0@localhost> <4352.921186024@zippy.cdrom.com> <4.1.19990311140839.00b25250@localhost> <4.1.19990311204009.040aa890@localhost>
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At 09:16 PM 3/11/99 -0700, Wes Peters wrote: >To paraphrase an old joke, this "is strong, and contains that which >promotes growth." (In other words, it's a crock of shit and it stinks.) > >The numerous times you've offended ME, every one of them, are when you've >jumped in here with both feet, kicking and screaming for someone to DO >SOMETHING FOR YOU RIGHT AWAY, AND DO IT MY WAY BECAUSE EVERY OTHER WAY >IS STUPID! Not so. I've volunteered to work on these things, but people seem to be unwilling even to help because it's their "baby" and not their priority. >I've rarely, if ever, seen you volunteer to DO anything until >long after everyone is already so pissed off they can't see straight. Also untrue. I've volunteered to fix disk drivers, write LAN card drivers, work on getting FreeBSD running on NetFinity servers, work on install routines, and more. >I certainly agree that is a problem; nobody here wants to turn away any >willing workers. I for one strongly regret the passing of Frank Pawlak >from this list shortly before the foundation of Daemon News, because I >think Frank would have contributed to it frequently and well. > >Perhaps the next time you come across a problem you'd like to address, >you should start off by saying "I've noticed the ports for 2.2.8 aren't >being updated as frequently as -STABLE anymore, and I'd like to help. >I can serve as a coordinator for this project, and can handle the XXX >and YYY ports myself. Would anybody like to join me in assisting in >this, and does anyone have any suggestions of where I might troll for >more volunteers." Well, if I said that, I wouldn't have been saying what I was actually proposing. I wasn't proposing to update specific ports but rather to do something more fundamental: make it so that it's easy for every port maintainer to keep ports updated for older versions with little or no effort. >In contrast, your start to this thread this time sounded *to me* like: >"Hey! Nobody's maintaining the ports on 2.2.8! I *need* those ports, Well, it was indeed a shock to me when I found out that a version of the OS that's only a few months old was already not being supported. >dammit! I didn't say THAT, though. >You guys are a bunch of incompetent unprofessional bozos for >permitting this major oversite! Nope. I did suggest that this did make FreeBSD's support look bad, and that for a product that claims to be more "professional" than Linux it is a major liability. >Who's butt do I have to kick to get MY ports updated this instant?!?!" Actually, I'd already recompiled the stuff I needed, so I didn't say this at all. But I was still a bit in shock about the whole thing. >> Our advocates don't have to agree on everything; they merely have to agree >> to work together. > >And your point is? Did you read the rest of my message? I was telling Greg that it was fine for him to disagree with me, even vigorously. --Brett Glass To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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