From owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 9 20:45:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BEFEBA1 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 20:45:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [130.225.244.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C2E4A3C for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 20:45:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (unknown [192.168.60.3]) by phk.freebsd.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED6503BB86; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 20:45:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t29Kj9ve068421; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 20:45:09 GMT (envelope-from phk@phk.freebsd.dk) To: Dmitry Morozovsky Subject: Re: DRAM Rowhammer exploits In-reply-to: From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" References: <91440.1425930724@critter.freebsd.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <68419.1425933909.1@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 20:45:09 +0000 Message-ID: <68420.1425933909@critter.freebsd.dk> Cc: freebsd-security@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 20:45:11 -0000 -------- In message , Dmitry M= orozo vsky writes: >On Mon, 9 Mar 2015, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> >any thoughts we're vulnerable to this? >> = >> It's a hardware problem, *everybody* are vulnerable. > >Well, it seems I used somewhat incorrect wordings. > >Any chance we could provide workaround like for Pentium f00f bug? As far as I know the only workaround is increasing the DRAM refresh rate sufficiently that the hardware behaves as it should. It seems that such BIOS updates are being rolled out, but undoubtedly a lot of old machines will get none and it's not even entirely obvious that increasing the DRAM refresh rate is enough. -- = Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe = Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence= .