From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 18 08:05:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3AAD697 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 08:05:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96CE6974 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 08:05:56 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=MGWaz5Ik3eILNB7wrn78vioKt9Eo+fdQ9gRm3ab6Zbk=; b=DUejnH5vIw0ucUqzLF54hDP5yX7T7+ZSYkxqjdugwgUHOiiy93YECyFVme0q6nNE76nQs4B19wus6kO1+u7kvRyYNfyxSBCKji0CGixuRIop2d5sSlO1pJXk0DRWOEeFK+ITcoZFauTFBxMQlTwJYXIiZ565rhiVL1aNCjyH6PQ=; Received: from [39.203.60.175] (port=27755 helo=X220.alogt.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1WPp1w-000W8V-Go; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 02:05:49 -0600 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:05:42 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: tyler@tysdomain.com Subject: Re: Something related to C and C++ Message-ID: <20140318160542.5c982133@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: <5327FA91.9000907@tysdomain.com> References: <20140317103830.53c42ade@X220.alogt.com> <611B8DE5-F593-4574-96AB-0965CA7EDF33@yahoo.com> <5326D093.90308@yahoo.com> <39562806-80F4-4D4C-BAFD-20DCB537B303@yahoo.com> <20140318090352.403e6f1f@X220.alogt.com> <5327FA91.9000907@tysdomain.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.3 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , Johan Bucht , by X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 08:05:56 -0000 Hi, On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 03:49:37 -0400 "Littlefield, Tyler" wrote: > On 3/17/2014 9:03 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 07:54:50 +0800 > > by wrote: > > > > A question to the others. When I see these comments here, I wonder > > how bad university education got over time. Is this here typical > > now or just an exception. > > Universities can be pretty rough. I took a c++ course a couple years > ago and it was rough since I'd taught myself a long time back. The > teacher would talk about how specific ides like to "eat" files ending > in .txt, etc. The best programmers are those who eat, breathe and > dream in c++ and really want to learn: even with the best education, > your motivation and ability to learn and explore is what makes you a > good programmer IMO. A bad university might be a problem, but it's > not the end of the world, by no means. it might be the end of the world. Not tomorrow but later. Some time ago, it was normal that some 20% of a cohort finished education with a master's. I have read now that some countries are trying to get this number to 40%. Did the people get more capable or did the education got more lousy? Erich PS: we are really off the course when it comes to the idea behind this list.