From owner-freebsd-security Sat Aug 24 13: 3:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB2C837B400 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.FreeBSD.org.uk [194.242.157.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0540D43E4A for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:03:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grimreaper.grondar.org) Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (uucp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7OI5Eqa083682 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:05:14 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grimreaper.grondar.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) with UUCP id g7OI5EjH083681 for security@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:05:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from grimreaper.grondar.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grimreaper.grondar.org (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7OI16t0000946 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:01:06 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grimreaper.grondar.org) Message-Id: <200208241801.g7OI16t0000946@grimreaper.grondar.org> To: security@freebsd.org Subject: HEADS UP! Signal-to-noise ratio here is _terrible_. Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:01:06 +0100 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello FreeBSD-Security subscriber The signal-to-noise ratio on this list is _terrible_. How many of you have noticed that FreeBSD's security-savvy folks are being drowed out in a sea of chatter? We need to get back to a focussed list that does not duplicate the functions of other lists. o This list needs to return to being a list for technical discussion by folks implementing the technology that FreeBSD offers. This means that if you are a programmer writing security code or a system administrator with specific requirements, then this is the place to be. If you have bugs to report, please submit them via send-pr, or if you need to discuss them AND you KNOW they are not potentially trivial, then please only bring them here if they are NOT more relevant to FreeBSD-Current, FreeBSD-Stable or FreeBSD-Hackers. If you have an important security hole to report, please consider reporting it to the Security Officer (security-officer@FreeBSD.org) if you wish to keep it under wraps until it is fixed. o Welcome topics are security policy, security design issues, tricky security portability issues and so on. o This needs to stop being a duplicate of FreeBSD-Questions. There are 2 lists for asking questions (FreeBSD-Questions and FreeBSD-Newbies). The simple fact that your question has nominally to do with security is NOT (repeat NOT) an excuse to ask it here. Far too many questions asked here are basic system administration issues that are answered trivially in available documentation. The vast majority of questions asked here are best discussed in the Newbies list. Please read the FAQ and the handbook, and if your question is not answered there, please contribute the question AND the answer back to the documentation folks (FreeBSD-Docs). o This is not the list to talk about build problems, OS crashes and the like (even if they involve a security subsystems). Compile problems are for FreeBSD-Current or FreeBSD-Stable. o Subscribers are encouraged to "lurk" before contributing, and are further encouraged to only contribute "signal" and resist all temptation to add to the noise. Replies to spam are particularly unwelcome and unwise. o "Chatter" needs to be taken offline or taken to FreeBSD-Chat. Thank you! M -- o Mark Murray \_ O.\_ Warning: this .sig is umop ap!sdn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message