From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 2 00:29:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA10065 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 00:29:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from pdx1.world.net (pdx1.world.net [192.243.32.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA10058 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 00:28:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from suburbia.net (suburbia.net [203.4.184.1]) by pdx1.world.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA08845 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 00:29:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from proff@localhost) by suburbia.net (8.8.3/8.8.2) id TAA18953 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 19:28:18 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 19:15:03 +1100 (EST) From: Julian Assange Message-Id: <199612020828.TAA18953@suburbia.net> To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From smtpd Mon Dec 2 19:15:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by suburbia.net (8.8.3/8.8.2) id TAA18699 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 19:14:51 +1100 (EST) Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu(128.52.46.34) via SMTP by suburbia.net, id smtpd018650; Mon Dec 2 08:12:26 1996 Received: by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id DAA09493 for meditation-list; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 03:07:48 -0500 Received: from us.itd.umich.edu by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) with ESMTP id DAA09489; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 03:07:44 -0500 Received: by us.itd.umich.edu (8.8.3/2.2) id DAA02338; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 03:06:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199612020806.DAA02338@us.itd.umich.edu> From: "Tom Spindler" Subject: why mycroft loves openbsd, as explained by umich wankers To: meditation@gnu.ai.mit.edu Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 03:06:57 -0500 (EST) Cc: friedman@gnu.ai.mit.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: proff Forwarded message: >From unix.admins-errors@umich.edu Fri Nov 29 23:06:14 1996 Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 23:05:24 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas Song X-Sender: dugsong@lukyduk.ifs.umich.edu To: Tom Spindler cc: unix.admins@umich.edu Subject: Re: OpenBSD being ported to NeXT hardware In-Reply-To: <199611300330.WAA11544@us.itd.umich.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 29 Nov 1996, Tom Spindler wrote: > Unless mycroft has moved to california and his writing style has gone way > downhill, I'd be surprised if this port was being undertaken by the "real" > mycroft. (especially with mycroft being a netbsd core member, and theo's > weenieism causing the net/openbsd split.) without getting into the politics of the bsd pissing match, openbsd is just simply more complete code. it is netbsd, plus the best of freebsd (except their VM system! politics.), and many additional fixes (mostly obscure security patches). it has a more liberal development policy, which people both like and dislike, but was apparently the reason for CITI's move to it from netbsd. having tried and looked at the source for all three, i have to concur with the CITI guys - openbsd has a real advantage because of their open CVS tree, regardless of what kind of person theo is. fixes get into openbsd months before net or freebsd, and hackers looking for bsd holes regularly scour the log of recent openbsd commits for net/freebsd vulnerabilities. openbsd is for hackers - net and freebsd are for people who want their code committed based on their reputation (oversimplified, but true nonetheless)... so i wouldn't put it totally past mycroft (if it really is him) to defect to openbsd, all things considered (especially his interest in security). --- dugsong@{UMICH.EDU,monkey.org} programmer, sysadmin, resident advisor, dork. http://www-personal.umich.edu/~dugsong/