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Thread-Index: AcTjgtRCPRLzjSU0RQ22RsER06c1WgAAFHPg From: "Mark Rowlands" To: "Robert William Vesterman" , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at bahnhof.se Subject: RE: Gnome without the stuff? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:54:21 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=20 > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of=20 > Robert William Vesterman > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 4:32 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Gnome without the stuff? >=20 > Mark Rowlands wrote: >=20 > >/usr/ports/www/firefox > >/usr/ports/www/epiphany > >/usr/ports/mail/evolution > >/usr/ports/games/gnome-music-quiz > >/usr/ports/games/gnomeattacks > >/usr/ports/games/gnomebreakout > >/usr/ports/games/gnomechess > >/usr/ports/games/gnomegames2 > >/usr/ports/games/gnomegames2-extra-data > >/usr/ports/games/gnomekiss > >/usr/ports/games/gnomememoryblocks > >/usr/ports/games/gnomermin > > > >Sure they have dependencies, you might need X........ > > =20 > > > Maybe I'm misunderstanding something fundamental. Is "Gnome"=20 > nothing more than the collection of applications like=20 > Evolution and Epiphany and the little game with the colored=20 > marbles? I thought it was a GUI environment, not an application suite. As the BSD package states :- GNU Network Object Model Environment This metaport installs the entire GNOME 2 desktop, including the the most common user applications. Other popular GNOME applications can be installed from the other GNOME 2 metaports: * x11/gnome2-fifth-toe * x11/gnome2-power-tools * editors/gnome2-office * devel/gnome2-hacker-tools WWW: http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome/ > Now, I understand that epiphany and so forth can be installed=20 > via their own ports. But the "gnome2" package installs=20 > epiphany and evolution and gnomegames and assorted other=20 > gnomecrappitycrap (I'm sure it's wonderful stuff, no offense=20 > intended by this choice of words). Gnome2 "depends"=20 > upon the little game with the colored marbles. But I just=20 > want the Gnome desktop without that game, and so forth. Nja.... Now I see...... In that case I would start hacking at the Makefile in /usr/ports/x11/gnome2-lite - take out a few Of those runtime dependencies. =20 =20 > But if I'm right that Gnome is nothing more than=20 > gnomecrappitycrap et al, then maybe what I'm really looking=20 > for would be the Windows Manager that Gnome uses by default?=20 > That is, Metacity? Maybe? Sawfish perhaps? > I'm sorry if these are stupid questions - I'm mostly new to=20 > this, and am confused as to the roles of (Gnome/KDE/Whatever)=20 > versus (Metacity/WindowMaker/Whatever). Nope... Not stupid.... KDE / Gnome provide fully featured desktops out of the box so to speak, I prefer to use a window manager appropriate to the task/capabilities of the machine I am using. Usually windowmaker or xfce but I have KDE on my laptop to show windows folks - I also have XP on my laptop to show unix folks ;-) =20 >=20 > >Personally I want the moon on a stick. > > =20 > > > I'm sorry, I can't help you with that. >=20 Goddamn....is there no one pit there that can help me that.