Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2024 14:21:32 -0600 From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> To: Alan Somers <asomers@freebsd.org> Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>, FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: It's not Rust, it's FreeBSD (and LLVM) Message-ID: <CANCZdfrJ149NguCYMuZs8M7cswQGkLnRYqsfND4Jpc7yajU_Jg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAOtMX2jwu9bUDgM=jxtP5t794VUPjNx3GtrVgYqvGcSiZqHwVQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <202409031532.483FW0If007252@critter.freebsd.dk> <CANCZdfrhK1iTZL5uxciqK_FGb%2Bzha_NZ15LsY42f%2B_z3KbPmJw@mail.gmail.com> <CAOtMX2go95=RFjegzchgMTYNdZfatzGDVcavp8O6=bK9yks1bQ@mail.gmail.com> <202409031950.483JoBuh009465@critter.freebsd.dk> <CAOtMX2jwu9bUDgM=jxtP5t794VUPjNx3GtrVgYqvGcSiZqHwVQ@mail.gmail.com>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] On Tue, Sep 3, 2024, 2:19 PM Alan Somers <asomers@freebsd.org> wrote: > On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 1:50 PM Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> > wrote: > > > > -------- > > Alan Somers writes: > > > > > For example, libifconfig and the /dev/cam/ctl ioctls are both unstable. > > > A port that uses one of those and is built for FreeBSD 14.0 won't > > > necessarily work for 14.1. > > > > Isn't that also a problem today ? > > > > What difference does it make that src is distributed as a package ? > > Not "a package" but "many packages". The pkgbase concept builds a > separate package for almost every dir under lib, bin, sbin, usr.bin, > and usr.sbin. So the problem will be that libifconfig and its > consumers will be distributed separately, whereas they are currently > distributed together. > Won't versions and dependencies solve this? They aren't tied to a kernel version since its a stable ABI. Warnrr > -Alan > [-- Attachment #2 --] <div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 3, 2024, 2:19 PM Alan Somers <<a href="mailto:asomers@freebsd.org">asomers@freebsd.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 1:50 PM Poul-Henning Kamp <<a href="mailto:phk@phk.freebsd.dk" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">phk@phk.freebsd.dk</a>> wrote:<br> ><br> > --------<br> > Alan Somers writes:<br> ><br> > > For example, libifconfig and the /dev/cam/ctl ioctls are both unstable.<br> > > A port that uses one of those and is built for FreeBSD 14.0 won't<br> > > necessarily work for 14.1.<br> ><br> > Isn't that also a problem today ?<br> ><br> > What difference does it make that src is distributed as a package ?<br> <br> Not "a package" but "many packages". The pkgbase concept builds a<br> separate package for almost every dir under lib, bin, sbin, usr.bin,<br> and usr.sbin. So the problem will be that libifconfig and its<br> consumers will be distributed separately, whereas they are currently<br> distributed together.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Won't versions and dependencies solve this? They aren't tied to a kernel version since its a stable ABI.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Warnrr</div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> -Alan<br> </blockquote></div></div></div>
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