From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 18:10:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBEB31065694 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:10:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B5C8FC1E for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:10:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz5 with SMTP id 5so4824052bwz.3 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:10:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Uz+lrOzuzDj3PexqLlpbuH7IiJekskibNUoBbz/3EeU=; b=oVXDVlYknyWcnYvrBF2v9Ip72nstmV+kgK/xTIqKmqrwDgCFuyxCbmN3sERPIuordx HrXHJ9Hnp2QmNrtPl5BlXvzB/twoLZP/t71sFJz9CKT1Cj0s0gR266y2BHZjuEtNn/GR yQpHAJk0BA6vRYb0E9I4l/YKg1d3yUHnPttaM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tYapoZWDxGUPR5ujXclEo2TDl5pK3X2CNRQIlUoPEcEe3MyUkXemq6/2nb2pQaUkvm XX6+SqvQlYaIbxDlvpo+x6rMDNpoeq2JMICVYM24mAg7oDt9vZ5zTNB7E9W/2helkgff WJczwz8SpYDeT05RJ7eYWa0jW20/zIOWPA3NA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.24.69 with SMTP id u5mr2368011bkb.1.1257012615231; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:10:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091029145843.Q98757@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <20091027213134.GA85815@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <200910272046.00289.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091028021417.GA93608@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <57d710000910271930u79b618f6m2bae6cf5c3c8fa83@mail.gmail.com> <4AE94914.2090905@locolomo.org> <877hue9o93.fsf@kobe.laptop> <4AE9D708.2010900@locolomo.org> <20091029182739.GA22923@ei.bzerk.org> <20091029145843.Q98757@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> From: Chris Rees Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:09:55 +0000 Message-ID: To: Lars Eighner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , Ruben de Groot , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:10:16 -0000 2009/10/29 Lars Eighner : > On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, Ruben de Groot wrote: > >> sendmail is NOT a legacy application. It's actively being developed >> ON FreeBSD. Actually, the maintainer(s) are doing a great job > > Bullshit. > > Why does sendmail call up the internet during boot? =A0If it needs to kno= w who > it is, why can't it look in hosts? =A0Since it cannot be trusted to send = mail, > what does it need to know from the internet? =A0It has been horribly brok= en > for the 15 years or so that I have run FBSD, and this m4 stuff is a pile = of > crap. =A0There is no documentation whatsoever. =A0Unless you buy a book f= rom > O'Reilly and line the pockets of the "maintainer(s)." =A0Why can't it be = a > option to configure the system without it? =A0Not any money in that, is t= here? > What's wrong with 'this m4 stuff'? The documentation can be found in one of many of these links: http://www.google.com/search?q=3Dsendmail.mc Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list?