From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 25 06:45:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22FB5DDF for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 06:45:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.org) Received: from qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe2d:43:76:96:30:17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF2682 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 06:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 4Wl31l0021zF43QAAWl3hX; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 06:45:03 +0000 Received: from koitsu.strangled.net ([67.180.84.87]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 4Wl21l0041t3BNj8kWl2pg; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 06:45:02 +0000 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1ED0273A1C; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 22:45:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 22:45:02 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: rfg@tristatelogic.com Subject: Re: Hard drive device names... Serial Numbers? Message-ID: <20130225064502.GA26208@icarus.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20121106; t=1361774703; bh=iuXrbyQRIz8/VduCzoS0fqIcY7AiGRcwkxwryTeDHjY=; h=Received:Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZAM7ckOmadbRYnwmU1awLvWGNTs6FbSYT81Z0EOdJpvJlnb4YVHfDZepz0vGozY1x Ywen9jDlBbEgY3BFYAFZqzgsP5OQaTD3iq/lVMdQN34Bz3yZ9LOmEABWSP3PXM/rxL eqA3bGNCkQD2eVmCLrraWrNtGtY/C0e6OAPvZefHzpsPQBo7O+BKGQhqZJ/rNPXOqk ub0Mg0AELDoOuGICT+trZQDCc0YCvHvX63bzjrYvqJbrzd7bapxYk5vcUN/2neiPMZ UvDR6eazzOrTZBh7pIPIPudsO0pla8f+vUnOijdrgQSbaarrtmsd+Tmwqkce8phofX 2pDastHBmcR+w== Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 06:45:04 -0000 (Please keep me CC'd as I am not subscribed to freebsd-fs@) This topic has been discussed at length before, and recently, particularly between Warren Block and myself. The thread, which you can read time permitting (kind of scattered between two lists, sorry): http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-fs/2013-January/016237.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2013-January/071900.html The answer -- and I am hard set on this and will not bend, so anyone considering arguing with me on it should just save their breath -- is to use the "wiring down" or "wired down" capability of CAM(4) to ensure you get static device numbers for your disks (across multiple controllers too). You can then add/remove whatever you want and the numbers will remain the same/however you declared them in /boot/loader.conf. How to do that (references): http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2013-January/071851.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-fs/2011-March/011036.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-fs/2012-June/014522.html Also see the CAM(4) man page for some details. It becomes a little more tricky depending on what controllers you have. All you have to do is spend some time paying very close attention to the dmesg output and working it out. Some reboots later you'll have it, and you won't have to touch it/change it. It's a one-time deal, and saves you all the pain and idiocy that labels introduce (I explain what those are in the initially-mentioned thread). Footnote: I have tried mailing you 3 separate times in the past about separate subjects and your mail server (server1.tristatelogic.com) intentionally rejects mail (550 5.7.1) from Comcast's SMTP servers. I gave up trying to contact you after repeated attempts. Example: > Reporting-MTA: dns; qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16] > Received-From-MTA: dns; omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.43] > Arrival-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 15:07:11 +0000 > Final-recipient: rfc822; rfg@tristatelogic.com > Action: failed > Status: 5.1.1 > Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 5.7.1 : Client host rejected: emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net is BLACKLISTED - Use http://www.tristatelogic.com/contact.html > Last-attempt-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 15:07:13 +0000 If you have a problem with Comcast's mail servers, I can refer you to lots of different people on the Comcast side who can help with that; I'd be happy to talk to you off-list about it (but you'd have to release that blockage to actually see my responses to you, naturally). If this is a side effect of using DNSBLs and you need a DNSWL (whitelist),, you might look into dnswl.org. I stopped using them in 2012 given some changes of theirs which I did not agree with, but those reasons were my own and were of an "administrative annoyance" nature. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc@koitsu.org | | UNIX Systems Administrator http://jdc.koitsu.org/ | | Mountain View, CA, US | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP 4BD6C0CB |