From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 17:22:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5170106566B; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:22:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpalmer@freebsd.org) Received: from noop.in-addr.com (mail.in-addr.com [IPv6:2001:470:8:162::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69B58FC1E; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:22:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gjp by noop.in-addr.com with local (Exim 4.76 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1QuSmS-000PT3-LZ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:22:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:22:52 -0400 From: Gary Palmer To: Lev Serebryakov Message-ID: <20110819172252.GE88904@in-addr.com> References: <810527321.20110819123700@serebryakov.spb.ru> <201108191401.23083.pieter@degoeje.nl> <425884435.20110819175307@serebryakov.spb.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <425884435.20110819175307@serebryakov.spb.ru> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: gpalmer@freebsd.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on noop.in-addr.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: Pieter de Goeje , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD problems and preliminary ways to solve X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:22:54 -0000 On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 05:53:07PM +0400, Lev Serebryakov wrote: > Hello, Pieter. > You wrote 19 ??????? 2011 ?., 16:01:23: > > >> > 3. Kernel features for complex network solutions (netgraph, carp, ipfw). > >> > > >> > The niche for routers & traffic analysis is still ours. It would be > >> > nice to take e.g. pfSense and agree with some vendor (Netgear, > >> > D-Link, etc) to put on sale hardware with FreeBSD inside. > >> > >> What about 10G routing? Here are reports about full-bandwidth 10G routing > >> on modern Intel NICs with Linux (and multi-core server), but I didn't see > >> any such data for FreeBSD, and somebody says, that Intel drivers and > >> network stack is not so good parallel in FreeBSD. > > With regards to high speed packet forwarding and routing, check out this work > > by Luigi Rizzo: > > http://info.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/netmap/ > Yep, I know this work, but it is rather special, not out-of-box (ok, > maybe with some changed tunables) routing solution with routing > tables, some firewall, etc. I think we need to refocus on what would give the most benefit. At least as far as I can see: - port/package management: most users would benefit - improved virtualisation support: a lot of users would benefit - improved driver support: a lot of users would benefit - KMS/GEM for better graphics card support: a lot of users would benefit Can you honestly say the same about handling line rate packet forwarding for multiple 10G cards? I suspect I would rank true multipath storage support above 10G routing, for example. Gary