From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 10 16:26:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA24969 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:26:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24933 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:26:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA02981; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:56:18 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id IAA13193; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:56:08 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980911085608.N583@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:56:08 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Co=EFdanSm=F8rgrav?= , Wes Peters Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ed References: <9698.905291210@time.cdrom.com> <35F7CF17.E0C82BCA@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3Cxzp4suf4s55=2Efsf=40hel=2Eifi=2Euio=2Eno=3E=3B_from_Da?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?g-Erling_Co=EFdanSm=F8rgrav__on_Thu=2C_Sep_10=2C_1998_at_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?10:41:42PM_+0200?= WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 10 September 1998 at 22:41:42 +0200, Dag-Erling CoïdanSmørgrav wrote: > Wes Peters writes: >> Yeah, me too. Those who think ed is bad should try, for instance, >> that horrid editor that came with CP/M, or "sos" on TOPS-10. Or, > > Son Of Stopgap, an editor that was written to replace an editor that > was written to replace an editor while waiting for the next (better) > editor. Or something like that. Ah yes, now I remember the TLA. From the Jargon File: :SOS: /S-O-S/ /n. obs./ 1. An infamously {losing} text editor. Once, back in the 1960s, when a text editor was needed for the PDP-6, a hacker crufted together a {quick-and-dirty} `stopgap editor' to be used until a better one was written. Unfortunately, the old one was never really discarded when new ones (in particular, {TECO}) came along. SOS is a descendant (`Son of Stopgap') of that editor, and many PDP-10 users gained the dubious pleasure of its acquaintance. Since then other programs similar in style to SOS have been written, notably the early font editor BILOS /bye'lohs/, the Brother-In-Law Of Stopgap (the alternate expansion `Bastard Issue, Loins of Stopgap' has been proposed). 2. /sos/ /vt./ To decrease; inverse of {AOS}, from the PDP-10 instruction set. >> as an example of something other FreeBSD'ers MAY have seen, edlin. >> Remember that barfluous little botch? > > Actually, most of my acquaintances agree that edlin and debug are > Microsoft's two best products ever. Maybe because they weren't from Microsoft? I still have the source to both of them from my 86/DOS release from Seattle Computer Products in late 1980. They don't seem to have changed since. > You wouldn't imagine how much fun one can have with debug... My > favorite DOS horror story is about the time I rebuilt my primary FAT > using debug as a hex editor :) Right, you could write to disk with it. A nice idea at the time. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message