From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 17 18:34:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150AE37B401 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:34:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.netcologne.de (smtp.netcologne.de [194.8.194.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94CA543E42 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:34:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tmseck-usenet@netcologne.de) Received: from mail.tmseck.homedns.org (xdsl-213-168-108-41.netcologne.de [213.168.108.41]) by smtp.netcologne.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE138667A for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 03:34:31 +0100 (MET) Received: by mail.tmseck.homedns.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 60AA1286A5; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 03:34:31 +0100 (CET) From: Thomas Seck To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Reply-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -STABLE was stable for long time (Re: FreeBSD: Server or Desktop OS?) Organization: private site In-Reply-To: <20021117201025.P23359-100000@hub.org> X-Attribution: tms Mail-Copies-To: nobody Message-Id: <20021118023431.60AA1286A5@mail.tmseck.homedns.org> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 03:34:31 +0100 (CET) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Marc G. Fournier (scrappy@hub.org): > On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Thomas Seck wrote: >> Basically, you want others to do the developing, testing and patching >> and keep the complaining part for yourself. > > No, that is the opposite of my point ... my point is that I *want*, and am > willing, to do the testing required, as well as do what I can to debug the > crashes ... I spent several hours last weekend narrowing down a problem > with -STABLE where it hangs on my server, to the point that a kernel from > 2002.10.28 boots, but 2002.10.29 doesn't ... that involved at least a half > dozen CVSup's, builds and reboots of the server ... I'm definitely not > afraid to do the testing and work on the debugging ... but I don't have > sufficient knowledge to *fix* the crash ... Ah, sorry for misinterpreting you. > What I'm complaining about is that those that are MFCng to -STABLE seem to > be leaving it as "it works on my hardware, so it must work" and drop'ng > responsibility for their changes ... Well, this sounds somewhat familiar to me. But you must agree that the situation at your site is hard to reproduce for any developer unless you give him or her shell access. > so what happens when its time to do a > RELEASE? There have been soooooo many changes, how do you know which one > caused the problem? Hm, I do not quite understand you here. --Thomas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message