From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 18 13:48:21 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 98536D98 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 13:48:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Received: from pmta2.delivery6.ore.mailhop.org (pmta2.delivery6.ore.mailhop.org [54.200.129.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E6E0209 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 13:48:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Received: from ilsoft.org (unknown [73.34.117.227]) by outbound2.ore.mailhop.org (Halon Mail Gateway) with ESMTPSA; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 13:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from revolution.hippie.lan (revolution.hippie.lan [172.22.42.240]) by ilsoft.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t5IDmCxn013997; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 07:48:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <1434635292.1415.93.camel@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: svn commit: r284345 - in head: . bin/cat bin/chflags bin/chio bin/chmod bin/cp bin/csh bin/date bin/dd bin/df bin/domainname bin/echo bin/ed bin/expr bin/freebsd-version bin/getfacl bin/hostname bi... From: Ian Lepore To: "Simon J. Gerraty" Cc: Garrett Cooper , Craig Rodrigues , "src-committers@freebsd.org" , "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" , "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" , Baptiste Daroussin Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 07:48:12 -0600 In-Reply-To: <4710.1434319205@chaos> References: <201506131920.t5DJKwMH033508@svn.freebsd.org> <950C4B23-B625-4173-A7C4-A4F1B2C5771D@gmail.com> <306889B5-3417-467C-965F-B011866E6F15@gmail.com> <450D8D9A-CBF2-445A-8221-4CD353591549@gmail.com> <16996.1434316874@chaos> <094A5FA6-7DB8-485E-84A8-C15D2A0BC9F6@gmail.com> <4710.1434319205@chaos> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.12.10 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 13:48:21 -0000 On Sun, 2015-06-14 at 15:00 -0700, Simon J. Gerraty wrote: > Garrett Cooper wrote: > > > Breaking source upgrades to later versions is painful. We want to make > > sure fmake at least works with upgrade_checks so people can upgrade > > from earlier versions of 8/9/10 to 11 without having to deal with a > > lot of pain. > > I agree but 8 -> 11 is a very big jump. > Not really. We're in the midst of such a change at $work, but it will be literally years before we're no longer doing anything with 8 and are fully converted to 11. We'll have completely skipped 9 and 10 in the process. That's the reality of being a company smaller than Yahoo or Juniper -- we just don't have the resources to track -current. We're lucky if we can get enough resources to make a jump every 4 or 5 years. In the meantime I've got to support building products on everything from 6.x through -current using basically the same source base and build machinery. The fmake->bmake change has been fairly painful; it's only working at all for us because I've hacked fmake on 6.x and 8.x to support a few crucial bmake features. -- Ian