From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 02:55:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EFD236B for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:55:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mho-01-ewr.mailhop.org (mho-03-ewr.mailhop.org [204.13.248.66]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 43365902 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:55:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [73.34.117.227] (helo=ilsoft.org) by mho-01-ewr.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1XebE2-0005Js-3Y; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:55:38 +0000 Received: from [172.22.42.240] (revolution.hippie.lan [172.22.42.240]) by ilsoft.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s9G2tacV050344; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:55:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ian@FreeBSD.org) X-Mail-Handler: Dyn Standard SMTP by Dyn X-Originating-IP: 73.34.117.227 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.dyndns.com/services/sendlabs/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX1/QrWfo+38SUzkJzRQzaqZX X-Authentication-Warning: paranoia.hippie.lan: Host revolution.hippie.lan [172.22.42.240] claimed to be [172.22.42.240] Subject: Re: [rfc] Add boot-time warning messages to PAE kernels From: Ian Lepore To: Terry Kennedy In-Reply-To: <01PDSJPDFY7O000821@tmk.com> References: <01PDSJPDFY7O000821@tmk.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:55:36 -0600 Message-ID: <1413428136.12052.481.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:55:45 -0000 On Wed, 2014-10-15 at 21:54 -0400, Terry Kennedy wrote: > > I'm not sure where you got the idea that i386 hardware is long out of > > production. google "industrial single-board computer" some time for an > > alternate take on what's producing and shipping and still in control of > > a non-trivial slice of our daily lives. When we ship i386-based > > products at $work it's using brand new hardware. > > I was speaking of the general x86 desktop / workstation / server market. > I had assumed that embedded use of FreeBSD required rather extensive cus- > tiomization to fit it in the desired memory space. Yeah, if by "extensive customization" you mean a custom kernel config, a makefile that sets a good number of the available WITH and WITHOUT build controls, and an install script that prunes away some of the userland binaries that are big and not needed on a product. The reason I replied in the first place is that everybody speaks of "the general x86 desktop / workstation / server market" as if that covers everything. Embedded folks use FreeBSD too, pretty much out of the box using the existing controls it provides. Sometimes it's a struggle to keep that a viable option, because there are certainly more users in the categories you mentioned. -- Ian