Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 21:36:26 -0600 From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> To: Arnaud Lacombe <lacombar@gmail.com> Cc: attilio@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>, Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..] Message-ID: <FAE07410-CA99-4061-856F-799DB9D225BE@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <CACqU3MU-WyNFf5UZGx15m_HWBx_6W272qkfqHHJ8G7v%2BJCK2Sw@mail.gmail.com> References: <CACqU3MUh1XPScRHNc-ivOYLmbG0_UqpwBNWeoPA84uSOESH_bg@mail.gmail.com> <CAJ-FndCHxpTfc%2Bb5zgiX2NheaQN1LcJXBRubef4_GAYCy_pb2g@mail.gmail.com> <CACqU3MWo=ieaduuwZDF6SfzUUS5y1qzP5e2Ddg6Aphnz_O2PJw@mail.gmail.com> <CAJ-FndCDpD3rnQFwiOSGofP9cPCxC5Zo%2BPLfxALY8pnE=2HQMA@mail.gmail.com> <CACqU3MW2JEtDK0Ngdf_Br6D%2BVvdU1B9LmN0fm0F9=bG0f2iW4Q@mail.gmail.com> <CAJ-VmomhHxG8t9Sw7de%2BzUnbz0O5GSY4ifpHFtCb9JS_zS0rBA@mail.gmail.com> <CACqU3MUKGcy8rNz0FcZLVat49BmRLD3hVKX%2BOXxkzwRDugKtAw@mail.gmail.com> <612DA8A3-121E-4E72-9E5B-F3CBA9DEB7F7@bsdimp.com> <CACqU3MU-WyNFf5UZGx15m_HWBx_6W272qkfqHHJ8G7v%2BJCK2Sw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Aug 1, 2012, at 9:28 PM, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: > Hi, >=20 > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: >>=20 >> On Aug 1, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: >>=20 >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> = wrote: >>>> Any interested party is very welcome to approach a developer and = get >>>> added to the developer summits. Plenty of the people at the most >>>> recent developer summit weren't @freebsd.org committers - we had >>>> plenty of representation from companies using FreeBSD. >>>>=20 >>>> If you want to participate, just ask a friendly developer who is = going >>>> to the developer summit to sponsor you in going. You're pleasant in >>>> person, so I'd have no problem sponsoring you if I am going to an >>>> event. :) >>>>=20 >>> I have a very deep, quasi-philosophical, trouble/problem with that >>> whole idea of sponsor-requirement to attend a such meeting. There is >>> just something which does not feel right about it. =46rom my point = of >>> view, this is a matter of common sense, focus is gonna be very = narrow >>> and deeply technical. Attendee should go there only if they think = they >>> will give positive feedback. As for myself, I would not attend a >>> developer meeting on the fiber-channel over infiniband optimization, >>> but would attend a developer meeting on next-generation mbuf. >>>=20 >>> Now, maybe I'll just push the door of some developer meeting I'd be >>> interested in during next BSDCan, and see what happen :-) The = outcome >>> might be interesting to study in a social interaction, prisoner >>> dilemma related, point-of-view. >>=20 >> Given how ridiculously easy it is to get a proper invite, there's not = need to be a jerk just to prove an obscure philosophical point about = attendance. There's plenty of time to do that over the technical points = being discussed. >>=20 > Let me explain my thoughts: I do not recognize the committers > legitimacy to give such invite, and to some extend, I do not recognize > committers self-given legitimacy altogether. This do not mean I'd > praised a structure-less project; quite the opposite actually. > Starting from that, I will certainly not defer to anybody to request > such invite or commit bit. Feel free to kick me out of the meeting > room if you want to; I would have proved my point. I think this proves the point everybody has been saying: you are being = needlessly contrary and confrontational. Warner > Now, if invites are so easy to get, just get rid of it. It's a > worthless, cumbersome item. >=20 > - Arnaud >=20 > ps: please, do not get me wrong, I would apply this policy to anybody > who propose to help.
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