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hackers-digest Tuesday, 19 November 1996 Volume 01 : Number 1658
In this issue:
Re: Ipx to ip routing(translation)
Re: Kernel calls - args in registers
Re: Who needs Perl? We do!
Re: split speed sio port?
Re: Announce: Alternative Mail Archive
Re: Who needs Perl? We do!
Lithium [was: Re: Who needs Perl? We do!]
Re: Serious BIND resolver problem. (fwd)
Re: Ipx to ip routing
Re: Who needs Perl? We do!
Re: Turbo FreeBSD CD
Re: Ipx to ip routing(translation)
Re: Cosmo3D for Linux ?? (fwd)
Re: Ipx to ip routing(translation)
Re: sendmail without DNS (was: Re: BoS: Exploit for sendmail smtpd bug (ver. 8.7-8.8.2).)
arpresolve errors
Re: Ipx to ip routing(translation)
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From: Chris Coleman <chris@bb.cc.wa.us>
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 16:05:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Ipx to ip routing(translation)
On Tue, 19 Nov 1996, Hal Snyder wrote:
> > My question is: Does Freebsd support ipx to ip routing. I know that BSDi
> > does. (And they want $6,000 for their system because of it.)
oops, I really meant ipx to ip TRANSLATION. I want to only have one host
using a ip address and all the others using ipx (or somthing similar) to
talk to the internet. Each computer would be mapped to by the MAC address
on the ethernet card. All communications with the internet would go
through FBSD host.
> >
Do we have any plans for implementing it?
BSDI and the Novell have it. There are a few commercial places that have
it also. But Since we already use Freebsd, I was hoping a cool
solution.
------------------------------
From: Michael Smith <msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:52:03 +1030 (CST)
Subject: Re: Kernel calls - args in registers
Travis Hassloch x231 stands accused of saying:
>
> One thing I thought might make a worthwhile gain is to make all
> intrakernel calls use registers -- and if possible, all kernel calls.
I think Bruce will have opinions here, but IMHO using registers for
arg passing isn't much of a win, especially on the x86 where there
are so few of them.
Register args win when the callee doesn't have to use the registers the
args are in until they're needed. On the x86, it's more likely that
the callee will need the registers and thus have to save the args somewhere
else (like on the stack...), and thus lose worse.
Another issue is stack unwinding; it's a real pain in the backside to
unwind a stack that includes calls to functions taking register args;
either the function saves the register args on the stack before the
return address before calling out the first time, or you live with not
being able to get the value of the arguments.
Either way, I don't think that the improvements would be significant
enough to be worth the effort. YMMV, especially on the 68K and some
RISC targets where there are enough registers to make this worthwhile.
> Obviously this would require rewriting a bit of the system call
> dispatch code. The next obvious step would be to change the
> system call structure so that copying a stack around wasn't necessary
> on most system calls.
Um, I don't actually think that the stack is 'copied around' in the first
place, and you'd still have to keep most of it because not all your
syscall args are going to fit in your registers.
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From: Michael Smith <msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:53:40 +1030 (CST)
Subject: Re: Who needs Perl? We do!
Ollivier Robert stands accused of saying:
>
> Perl 5.004 is rounding the corner. 5.003_08 just came out and 5.003_09 will
> be 5.004-candidate.
>
> Many thinks are broken (even if people don't tumble often on them) and
> 5.004 should be stable.
Ok. I am still waiting for a hand up from someone who has a
contrib-ready perl5.
> BTW OpenBSD has already done the integration into a bmake-based tree so we
> could look at how they've done it.
Not to diss the OBSD guys, but the contrib technique is a bit different,
and I think we will want to do it like that.
> Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr
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------------------------------
From: Michael Smith <msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:03:29 +1030 (CST)
Subject: Re: split speed sio port?
Adam David stands accused of saying:
> >
> > Use the spiffo 'divert socket' stuff and write a management program that
> > tracks how much data it has forwarded for each of the classes in a given
> > period. This gives you total flexibility, and saves us from trying to
> > second-guess harebrained ideas 8)
>
> This is all very well, but when upstream is not (yet?) willing to implement
> such measures themselves and will not trust software that is located outside
> of their direct control, one has to make do with what is available.
Huh? How does this affect anything? Or are you saying that "upstream"
insists that you use an asymmetrical link?
> Of course, a proven product might catch their interest in terms of
> suitability.
Hey, go for it 8)
> Adam David <adam@veda.is>
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------------------------------
From: John Fieber <jfieber@indiana.edu>
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:56:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Announce: Alternative Mail Archive
On Tue, 19 Nov 1996, Joe Greco wrote:
> That is probably true, but (at least when I am searching the lists)
> I usually have some idea what time frame I am interested in. I am
> usually looking to quote something back at somebody, etc. It is
> very frustrating to type in a bunch of terms and still have it hit
> a hundred messages, half of which are from 1995.
Precicely, and there is no reason why your time frame shouldn't
be part of the query along with the terms. The more dimensions you
can describe, the more accurate the retrieved set will be. The
problem with hypermail is the timeframes are pre-set, and not
necessairly in a very useful fashion.
The fact that the current arcihves on www.freebsd.org do not allow
retrieval by date is, in my mind, a catastrophic failing.
> Write a good free IR system? :-)
Its hard! IR is theoretically bankrupt. What to do? Go flip through
the proceedings and papers from TREC and you will see. People are
spending lots of time and money and the improvements they achieve are
miniscule.
- -john
== jfieber@indiana.edu ===========================================
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------------------------------
From: "M.R.Murphy" <mrm@Mole.ORG>
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 16:56:33 -0800
Subject: Re: Who needs Perl? We do!
> > > At STP, Lithium is a gas. 8-).
Not that it matters wrt perl, but at STP, lithium is a solid. A
metallic solid. A silvery white metallic solid. The MP at SP is
453.69K.
Your friendly chemist,
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Better is the enemy of Good
------------------------------
From: Robert Eckardt <roberte@mep.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 01:58:16 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Lithium [was: Re: Who needs Perl? We do!]
> > In message <199611191814.LAA09210@phaeton.artisoft.com> Terry Lambert writes:
> > : At STP, Lithium is a gas. 8-).
> >
> > At STP (20 C, 1 atmosphere), Lithium is a whitish metal solid.
>
> LiO2 or Li2?
Just to clarify:
6 7
Li and Li as well as LiH, Li O and Li O are solid at STP.
3 3 2 2 2
What were you thinking of ?
Robert
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From: Julian Assange <proff@suburbia.net>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:13:33 +1100 (EST)
Subject: Re: Serious BIND resolver problem. (fwd)
>
>
>
> On Tue, 19 Nov 1996, S(pork) wrote:
>
> > >From your friendly neighborhood paranoia victim comes yet another loaded
> > question...
> >
> > I got this little advisory (thankfully without an exploit) today, and it's
> > got me all worried. It's a problem in the whole gethostbyname call that
> > allows (supposedly) local and remote users to gain root access using a
> > variety of programs that rely on the gethostbyname call. So I downloaded
> > BIND-4.9.3-REL which fixes all of this; and then I read the README in the
> > BSD directory, got thoroughly confused, and posted my root password to
> > #hack on irc. (kidding). Now this does not appear to be a simple feat
> > (hence my posting to -questions and -security; security people can look at
> > it and laugh, and questions can tell me all about "diff-ing my source
> > tree" and "manually updating includes (which you may or may not have to
> > do)." So my question is this; could anyone who's already updated this
> > give me some advice or some pointers to this procedure?? The site
> > carrying 4.9.3-REL is over at: ftp.vix.com/pub/bind/release
> >
> > Thanks All,
> >
> > Charles
>
> Charles,
>
> I think 4.9.5-REL over at ftp.vix.com/pub/bind/release/4.9.5 is
> what you are looking for, and as suggested by the advisory. I just
> updated our 2 name servers this morning, and all I did is make, and then
> make install.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Brian
>
it isn't the name servers you need to upgrade, it is the resolver libraries.
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From: Tom Samplonius <tom@sdf.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 17:57:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Ipx to ip routing
On Tue, 19 Nov 1996, Chris Coleman wrote:
> I work at a local community college. We have two FreeBSD boxes running
> all of the internet services.
>
> My question is: Does Freebsd support ipx to ip routing. I know that BSDi
> does. (And they want $6,000 for their system because of it.)
>
> Do we have any plans for implementing it?
You can't route between IP and IPX. They are incompatible. You can
can however tunnel IPX across an IP network.
> We need it to solve two problems. number one, we are running out of ip
> addresses on campus. We want to eliminate most of them and make them use
> ipx routed through a FBSD box to communicate through the internet.
This would involve a proxy-type service (ex. Catapult for NT; see
ftp.microsoft.com).
> And we want to eliminate the need for so many ip addresses so that we
> can get rid of all the ip address conflicts that we can't seem to trace
> down.
>
> Any one have a good method of finding an ip address conflict?
Force people to use DHCP. It isn't perfect, but better than letting a
bunch of newbies configure their own systems.
A proxy like cached or squid, which both work under FreeBSD could also
solve your address shortage problem. The entire 10.x.x.x block has been
reserved for non-connected sites, and these addresses could be given to
given to internal campus machines. Proxy servers like cached can also
reduce Internet traffic, and speed access to common pages.
> Thanks in advance
>
> Chris Coleman (chris@aries.bb.cc.wa.us)
> Computer Support Technician I (509)-766-8873
> Big Bend Community College Internet Instructor
> Death is life's way of telling you you're fired.
>
>
Tom
------------------------------
From: Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org>
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 18:28:09 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: Who needs Perl? We do!
> > > A point to consider : I _loathe_ Perl. Reading it gives me a
> > > headache, and I would sooner snort powdered lithium than program in
> > > it. Understand that I think Perl is relevant for what it is, and not
> > > what I feel about it.
> >
> > At STP, Lithium is a gas. 8-).
>
> Interesting. Very soft greyish metal the last time I saw it...
If you don't want the boring details, or you want to figure the joke
out for yourself, don't read the rest of this message. It probably
belongs on -chat anyway.
If you are a great fan of PERL and don't want to be annoyed, well,
you've been warned. 8-).
This was a 3-level English pun based on a single initial English pun
used to back-handedly reference PERL.
(1) At STP, diatomic Lithium the metal is a solid (someone
claimed all diatomic metals, except Mercury, are solid at
STP; Hydrogen isn't. 8-)).
(2) This forces a reinterpretation of "is a gas" as a
colloquialism instead of a direct interpretation. The
use of the colloquialism is a bit archaic (tantamount
to using the word "groovy", I suppose); however, there
is a Rolling Stones song "Jumpin' Jack Flash", in which
they use it "Jumpin' Jack Flash, it's a gas, gas, gas...",
and it was The Clue in a Whoopie Goldberg movie, titled
after the song.
(3) How can Lithium be "a gas" in the colloquial sense? Lithium
salts are used psychopharmacologically in the moderation of
N-dopamine uptake. A chronically mentally ill person with
Schitzophrenia is most likely suffering from: (1) a genetic
predisposition to having fewer than is considered normal
N-dopamine receptors, or (2) smaller than is considered normal
N-dopamine production, or (3) has a chemical imbalance
interfering with N-dopamine uptake. Item (3) can be
environmental poisoning -- for instance, Aspartame (Nutrasweet)
bonds to N-dopamine receptors. Do not drink most diet sodas
if you are borderline Schitzophrenic, or change the amount
you drink if you are already on medication. In a "normal"
person, Lithium use would result in reduced brain function.
So we see that if he "would sooner snort powdered lithium", he is
probably referring to it's psychotropic properties... implyimg that,
though Lithium reduces brain function, it does not reduce it so much
as programming in PERL might... hence the second order pun.
You can send fan-mail to my regular address. 8-P.
Regards,
Terry Lambert
terry@lambert.org
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------------------------------
From: Dave Cornejo <dave@dogwood.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 17:47:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Turbo FreeBSD CD
Wilko Bulte wrote:
> I just today got a catalog in my PObox of Pacific HighTech CDROM.
> A bit to my surprise it has a 'Turbo FreeBSD' CDROM listed on it's
> cover. I contains 2.1.5R and a 2.2 SNAP (960801? it's very
> fine print).
IMO, PHT doesn't do nearly the quality job that Walnut Creek does on
their disks. Their general pricing reflects this.
BSDisc (sp?) also supplies FreeBSD along with NetBSD on a CD. I have
a fairly old copy of this and it's a great archive, but not nearly so
nice to install as the genuine WC CDROM CD.
I don't know if either PHT or BSDisc supports FreeBSD in any fashion,
but this certainly plays into my buying decision.
- --
Dave Cornejo - Dogwood Media, Fremont, California
------------------------------
From: Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org>
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 18:40:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: Ipx to ip routing(translation)
> > > My question is: Does Freebsd support ipx to ip routing. I know that BSDi
> > > does. (And they want $6,000 for their system because of it.)
>
> oops, I really meant ipx to ip TRANSLATION. I want to only have one host
> using a ip address and all the others using ipx (or somthing similar) to
> talk to the internet. Each computer would be mapped to by the MAC address
> on the ethernet card. All communications with the internet would go
> through FBSD host.
This is called an "IP Proxy Gateway", and requires both a service
agent on the gateway box, and a "WINSOCK.DLL" or "WSOCK32.DLL" on
the client machine that knows how to connect to the proxy server over
the transport.
As a point of general information, the IANA is not responsible for
assigning well-known-sockets on IPX (or SPX)... Novell itself is.
In order to get an assignment, your application must be NDS (NetWare
Directory Services) aware. As another point of interest, the only
value in NDS in this case in in service advertisement for the proxy
gateway service.
To get around this problem (requirement), most third party developers
have been using IPX diagnostic broadcasts to locate servers. This is
very dirty, and Novell is bound to do something to stop it in the
next release or so.
> Do we have any plans for implementing it?
>
> BSDI and the Novell have it. There are a few commercial places that have
> it also. But Since we already use Freebsd, I was hoping a cool
> solution.
You up for writing a winsock? If you were to write a winsock, and
you made it use SOCKS to connect to a SOCKS IP Proxy Gateway, your
name would be heralded from the tops of towers, in many circles,
since it would mean the death of the hated "aliasing".
BTW: The company I work for is one of the companies who produces a
commercial product like this. There's not a chance in the world that
they would publically document their wire protocol. 8-(.
Regards,
Terry Lambert
terry@lambert.org
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------------------------------
From: sysseh@devetir.qld.gov.au (Stephen Hocking)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:09:46 GMT
Subject: Re: Cosmo3D for Linux ?? (fwd)
Cosmo3D - a nice OpenGL tool.
Xref: ogre.devetir.qld.gov.au comp.graphics.api.inventor:3031 comp.graphics.api.opengl:8438
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From: wdwells@nyx10.cs.du.edu (David "Fuzzy" Wells)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.api.inventor,comp.graphics.api.opengl
Subject: Re: Cosmo3D for Linux ??
Date: 17 Nov 1996 22:39:46 -0700
Organization: University of Denver, Math/CS Dept.
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References: <3289BD6C.2F1C@nlr.nl>
NNTP-Posting-Host: nyx10.nyx.net
>Are there plans to port Cosmo3D to Linux ??
>
>I heard that there are no real plans to make Open Inventor available on
>Linux but how 'bout Cosmo3D
Cosmo 3D for Linux was _very_ quietly announced at SIGGRAPH'96. The
person responsible for this is away at the SGI European Dev Conf and
should be back Nov 25th. Hopefully, I'll get more info around that
time.
Fuzzy.
------------------------------
From: Michael Smith <msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:52:53 +1030 (CST)
Subject: Re: Ipx to ip routing(translation)
Chris Coleman stands accused of saying:
>
> oops, I really meant ipx to ip TRANSLATION. I want to only have one host
> using a ip address and all the others using ipx (or somthing similar) to
> talk to the internet. Each computer would be mapped to by the MAC address
> on the ethernet card. All communications with the internet would go
> through FBSD host.
Uh. You fail to understand. Read the previous response wrt. talking
IP on a reserved address range on your internal network to a proxy
server on your BSD box(es).
> Do we have any plans for implementing it?
>
> BSDI and the Novell have it. There are a few commercial places that have
> it also. But Since we already use Freebsd, I was hoping a cool
> solution.
You are probably thinking of ip-in-ipx, which is totally different from
what you were trying to describe. I don't know if anyone is bothering
with this, as ipx is in many peoples' minds a dead protocol.
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------------------------------
From: Marc Slemko <marcs@znep.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:58:09 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: sendmail without DNS (was: Re: BoS: Exploit for sendmail smtpd bug (ver. 8.7-8.8.2).)
On Tue, 19 Nov 1996, J Wunsch wrote:
> As Marc Slemko wrote:
>
> > I have tried nocanonify, nodns, a service.switch file and perhaps a few
> > other things that I can't remember right now, but sendmail still tries to
> > do DNS lookups.
>
> You must do something wrong. I'm using a local nameserver, but as you
> can see, it's only used for local lookups:
...and if you are setup to use a remote nameserver then it will try to use
that. Therefore, you aren't disabling lookups. A local nameserver can
work around the problem though.
[...]
>
> uriah # kill -STOP `cat /var/run/named.pid `
> uriah # (echo "/bind/s/^/#"; echo "w"; echo "q") | ed /etc/host.conf
> 105
> #bind
> 106
Aha. This is a way of working around it that I had temporarily forgot
about. With hosts before bind in /etc/host.conf, and an entry for the
local hostname in /etc/hosts, the lookup will be avoided.
I forgot about that because there is some reason (can't remember it right
now; could be something that was fixed long ago) why I couldn't do that to
host.conf on the particular machine because it interfered with something
else. However, in the general case for someone getting mail via uucp with
a dial on demand type network connection that will solve the problem.
Thanks.
> uriah # echo "hi you" | mail -s "test mail" marcs@znep.com
> uriah # mailq
> Mail Queue (1 request)
> --Q-ID-- --Size-- -----Q-Time----- ------------Sender/Recipient------------
> BAA03279* (no control file)
>
> (Well, that's the queue file from my /etc/daily that's just running
> right now. Your mail did already go out to the UUCP spool by that
> time, no additional delay for nameserver attempts etc.)
If you don't have your machine setup so that it thinks it can reach a
nameserver outside and there is a route to that nameserver, you won't
notice any extra delays.
------------------------------
From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" <danny@panda.hilink.com.au>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:32:51 +1100 (EST)
Subject: arpresolve errors
Hi,
Are messages like the one below indicative of mbuf problems, or something
else? OS is 2.1.5R, about 30 slip/ppp ports. The given address is
the remote address on a CSLIP link. A check through the messages file
shows that it only happens to CSLIP links which are gateways to remote
nets/subnets.
"arpresolve: can't allocate llinfo for 203.x.y.49"
After enough of these, the machine usually crashes.
Thanks,
Danny
------------------------------
From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" <danny@panda.hilink.com.au>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:45:11 +1100 (EST)
Subject: Re: Ipx to ip routing(translation)
On Tue, 19 Nov 1996, Terry Lambert wrote:
> You up for writing a winsock? If you were to write a winsock, and
> you made it use SOCKS to connect to a SOCKS IP Proxy Gateway, your
> name would be heralded from the tops of towers, in many circles,
> since it would mean the death of the hated "aliasing".
Trumpet Winsock does this, last time I looked, or am I misunderstanding
what you are suggesting?
Danny
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