From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 19 09:52:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A3916A400 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:52:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from wjv.com (fl-65-40-24-38.sta.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5470A43D45 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:52:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by wjv.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3J9qCHH021726 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 05:52:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.13.6/8.13.1/Submit) id k3J9q7Ph021725 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 05:52:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bv) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 05:52:07 -0400 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060419095207.GC19339@wjv.com> References: <20060419040716.4F26116A45F@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060419040716.4F26116A45F@hub.freebsd.org> Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on bilver.wjv.com Subject: Re: [PATCH] Fancy rc startup style RFC X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bv@wjv.com List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:52:16 -0000 Somewhere around Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 04:07 , the world stopped and listened as freebsd-hackers-request@freebsd.org graced us with this profound tidbit of wisdom that would fulfill the enjoyment of future generations: > Message: 20 > Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:07:31 -0700 > From: Darren Pilgrim > Eric Anderson wrote: > > If I could figure out how to make sh do colors, I'd do it. :) > Please do not use colors in rc. Escape-sequenced colors make > unacceptable assumptions about the user and syslogd strips > escape sequences anyway, so it would be of no use to logged > consoles. Serial consoles introduce other problems with buggy > escape handling in third-party terminal programs. A good text > layout and descriptive status messages do far more for clarity > and readability than any use of color ever can. Let me add to that. About 10% of the male population has some color vision problem. Mine is a bit more than others. Everytime I get called to work on a Linux system, I have to go in and disable the colors as the reds and other colors become very hard to see against a dark background. The problem is the luminance value of colors such a red is quite low compared to others. That's one of the reasons why fire-trucks in this area are lime-green, as red trucks disappear into the blackness at night. If you add color make sure it is a user selectable option and not turned on by default. IMO everything you need to admin a system needs to be able to run on something as lowly as a pure serial terminal as the above poster notes. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com