From owner-svn-src-head@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 13 15:38:24 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C20ABB6; Sat, 13 Jun 2015 15:38:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) Received: from theravensnest.org (theraven.freebsd.your.org [216.14.102.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cloud.theravensnest.org", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A63A66E; Sat, 13 Jun 2015 15:38:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) Received: from user-109-13.vpn.cl.cam.ac.uk (user-109-13.vpn.cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.109.13]) (authenticated bits=0) by theravensnest.org (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id t5DFcCOA022503 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 13 Jun 2015 15:38:14 GMT (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) Subject: Re: svn commit: r284198 - head/bin/ls From: David Chisnall In-Reply-To: <1434208622.1415.57.camel@freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 11:38:11 -0400 Cc: Steve Kargl , Alexander Kabaev , Marcel Moolenaar , src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <201506100127.t5A1RdX6051959@svn.freebsd.org> <20150612204309.11dd3391@kan> <20150613024916.GA98218@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <1434208622.1415.57.camel@freebsd.org> To: Ian Lepore X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 15:38:24 -0000 On 13 Jun 2015, at 11:17, Ian Lepore wrote: >=20 > If you would have told me a year ago that you had a simple scheme that > could make 30 years of experience maintaining code for unix-like = systems > completely worthless I would have been skeptical, but it seems we're > well on our way. There is a lot of heckling and unhelpful hyperbole in this thread. = Reading the xo_emit format strings takes a little bit of getting used = to, but the same is true of printf - it=E2=80=99s just that we=E2=80=99re = already used to printf. The structured parts (xo_open_container, = xo_close_container and friends) are clear and descriptive. The changes = are fairly invasive, but the benefits are also very large for anyone who = is wanting to automate administration of FreeBSD systems. If you have suggestions for how the libxo APIs could be improved, then = please let us know - Phil is very reception to suggestions but = objections along the lines of =E2=80=98it=E2=80=99s not what I=E2=80=99m = used to and changes sometimes break things so we should never have = changes=E2=80=99 are not helpful. David