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Date:      Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:25:44 -0600
From:      Bryan Drewery <bryan@shatow.net>
To:        Stephen McKay <smckay@internode.on.net>
Cc:        FreeBSD FS <freebsd-fs@freebsd.org>, Eitan Adler <eadler@FreeBSD.org>
Subject:   Re: SSD recommendations for ZFS cache/log
Message-ID:  <50A31D48.3000700@shatow.net>
In-Reply-To: <57ac1f$gf3rkl@ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net>
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On 11/13/2012 9:51 PM, Stephen McKay wrote:
> On Thursday, 8th November 2012, Tom Evans wrote:
> 
>> I'm upgrading my home ZFS setup, and want to speed things up a bit by
>> adding some SSDs for cache/log. I was hoping some more experienced
>> heads could offer some advice on what I've gleaned so far.
> 
> Before you get excited about SSD for ZIL, measure your synchronous
> write rate.  If you have a mostly async load, you may get little
> or zero improvement.
> 
> To measure ZIL activity, install dtrace and run Richard Elling's
> zilstat script.  Everyone with more than a passing interest in ZFS
> should do this.  Measurement always beats speculation.
> 
> On my workstation, I have sync writes only during email delivery,
> and for that I'm willing to spend the extra few milliseconds a
> hard disk takes so that I don't have to risk my data on a consumer
> grade SSD.
> 
> I have no way to determine in advance the behaviour of an SSD on
> power failure so I assume all the ones I can afford have bad
> behaviour. :-)  I know that expensive ones contain capacitors so
> that power failures do not corrupt their contents.  By the nature
> of advertising (from which we know that any feature not excessively
> hyped must therefore not be supported), we must conclude that other
> SSDs by normal operation corrupt blocks on power failure.
> 
> So, that puts SSDs (that I can afford) behind standard disks for
> reliability, plus I wouldn't benefit much from the speed, so I don't
> use an SSD for ZIL.
> 
> Even if you have a sync heavy load (NFS server, say, or perhaps a
> time machine server via netatalk), the right answer might be to
> subvert those protocols so they become async.  (Maybe nothing you
> do with those protocols actually depends on their sync guarantees,
> or perhaps you can recover easily from failure by restarting.)
> You'll only know if you have to make decisions like this (expensive
> reliable SSD for ZIL vs cheating at protocols) if you measure.  So,
> measure!
> 
> As for L2ARC, do you need it?  It's harder to tell in advance that
> a cache device would be useful, but if you have sufficient RAM for
> your purposes, you may not need it.  Sufficient could be approximately
> 1GB per 1TB of disk (other rules of thumb exist).
> 
> If you enable dedup, you are unlikely to have sufficient RAM!  So
> in this case L2ARC may be advisable.  Even then, performance when
> using dedup may be less than you would hope for, so I recommend
> against enabling dedup.
> 
> Remember that L2ARC is not persistent.  It takes time to warm up.
> If you reboot often, you will get little to no use from it.  If
> you leave your machine on all the time, eventually everything
> frequently used will end up in there.  But, if you don't use all
> your RAM for ARC before you reboot anyway, your L2ARC will be
> (essentially) unused.  Again, you have to measure at least a little
> bit (perhaps using the zfs-stats port) before you know.
> 
> On the plus side, a corrupt L2ARC shouldn't do any more than require
> a reboot, so it's safe to experiment with cheap SSDs.
> 
>> The drives I am thinking of getting are either Intel 330, Intel 520,
>> Crucial M4 RealSSD or Samsung 830, all in their 120/128GB variants.
> 
> Do any of these contain capacitors for use when power fails?  If not
> then I'd assume they are unsafe for use as ZIL and would limit them
> to L2ARC.  If you can show that any of these somehow avoid corruption
> on power failure without a capacitor system, I'd love to know how that
> works!
> 
> Cheers,
> 

IMHO this whole post should be enshrined into an FAQ or manpage or wiki.
It's very informative and compelling.


> Stephen.
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