From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 7 00:25:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA04389 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:25:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA04384 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:25:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id AAA18753; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:25:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA01292; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706070723.AAA01292@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Michael Smith cc: stefan@exis.net, pgiffuni@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co, jdd@vbc.net, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Exchange vs. Notes In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 07 Jun 97 16:39:06 +0930. <199706070709.QAA11320@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 00:23:19 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com stands accused of saying: >> OK, so enough for the Exchange commercial. Suffice it to say that >> even if you don't take me seriously as saying it is _the_ most >> powerful messaging platform on the planet, it truly is _one_of_ the >> most powerful. >So where can we grab the source from to validate your claims, check >for security holes, or make variances between what you think we want >and we want for ourselves? Uh yeah, right. Look, I'm all for the free Unix thing myself, but there really is a market for commercial software and enterprise level support. Try to get the source code to Digital Unix. Or HP/UX. :-) >FWIW, we microwaved a whole set of MS BO disks last night, to christen >the new microwave in a friend's office. He's planning on putting them >in the same drawer as the Asia-Pacific NT developers' conference Tshirt >that he wore while stripping and rebuilding the engine in his car >this summer. > >Until MS are willing to play the right game, small ISVs like us are >just going to keep ignoring them. I suspect that they really don't >care, but I certainly feel no need to be polite about them in >return. 8) Hey, believe it or not, I'm with you. Currently, FreeBSD and/or NetBSD are about the best OS' available for ISPs. They have so many advantages for that particular market. On the other hand, the places where Exchange shines, are medium sized companies to mega corporations, where commercial support is not only preferred, but often required. And don't believe MS is going to ignore the ISP market forever. On the other hand, what they develop will most likely be significantly cheaper than commercial Unix solutions, but will still not be free. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... -----------------------------------------------------------------------------