From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 17 07:50:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA07332 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:50:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA07274; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:50:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwilde1@ibm.net) Received: from ibm.net (slip-32-100-79-6.ca.us.ibm.net [32.100.79.6]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA85546; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:50:00 GMT Message-ID: <350E9C0E.5993F369@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:51:42 -0800 From: Don Wilde Reply-To: dwilde1@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail going commercial, and ? References: <199803171529.HAA01258@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > Don Wilde wrote: > > FWIR, the free track is _still_ free, isn't it? I thought source of 8.9 > > would be available, just not the so-called 'Pro' enhancements. As > > Jonathan says, it serves me well, although certainly a .cf-rule-writing > > front end would be a blessing. > > the .cf-rule-writing front end is the m4 preprocessor > and the example .mc files in ..../sendmail/cf/cf > > its much better than in the days before using m4 ;) > (i remember when real programmers used butterfly switches > to hammer in the code........;) > Smile when you say that... I learned assembly on an Intel SDK-86, and all my classwork -- including compiler-writing in CDC-6400 assembly -- was done on punch cards with 24-hour debug turnaround. > > I might suggest that the same comments about 'abomination' have run > > through my mind about the C language itself... ;) > > gawd....dont go there.....we start talking about C++ > and "whee lets add yet another meaning for the keyword static". > jmb Sorry I'm rehashing this thread long after you guys did. I used to be an assembly programmer, and I thought between that, LISP and Smalltalk I had it covered. The old commercial bugaboo bit me hard and I've grown tired of being pinched by Digitalk / ParcPlace and M$ for a G$ every year just to have the privilege. I'll learn my C and like it, thank you, and my M4, and my YACC, and my Xt, and I'll discover the elegance you all already know is there. I was finally cured by finding a syntax-driven language that's _worse_ than C: PERL. Those so-called 'global' variables are absolutely impossible to remember. Once you train yourself to see parsing and syntactic elements like %% and {} as they are meant to be, C ain't soooo bad. Don To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message