From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 01:03:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE8E316A4CE for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:03:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from dnull.com (dnull.com [209.237.44.237]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CF8F543D2C for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:03:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@svbug.com) Received: (qmail 71016 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 08:48:36 -0000 Received: from m208-56.dsl.rawbw.com (HELO jc.svbug.com) (198.144.208.56) by dnull.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 08:48:36 -0000 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20031211004748.00a34040@dnull.com> X-Sender: jessem@dnull.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:03:46 -0800 To: "Daniel P. Kionka" From: Jesse Monroy In-Reply-To: <006901c3bcdf$dc72dd30$1c00a8c0@mainpc> References: <20031205072751.7227.qmail@dnull.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SVBUG what happened tonight (12-04-2003) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:03:25 -0000 At 08:33 AM 12/7/03 -0800, Daniel P. Kionka wrote: >.... >Doesn't a white-list lock out new people? Like what is the use of listing >contact info on a web page if no one can get through? Dan, Thanks for waiting on a response. There is a common misconception about white lists. While your comment is along those lines, it is not unusual. The common misconception about white lists is that it is a exclusive list of allowed email. This is not the case. In fact, it is just a list of emails that get priority. I am by no means advocating, or suggesting, that a person use white lists as the only people one should get email from. As for public contact via email, there are solutions, but that is part of my talk. I plan to present these points again, at many different club meetings. My impression, as with ssh, is that the technical community is spending too much time on the wrong problem. Sure one might make lots of money selling knock-off copies of Spam-Assassin, but it does not solve the issue. For that matter, neither Spam-Assassin nor Bayesian(sp?) filters will make a bit of difference in the long run. Sure someone will profess to have great success with it, but I hardly find that to be the general case. Before I digress into dribble, let me leave it at that. As for hackers@freebsd, et al. :p Have a nice day, Dan. Jessem.