From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 07:50:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1273F16A400 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 07:50:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE5E13C447 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 07:50:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c21so494111ika for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 00:50:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UlsWMq7UZxgQDooAe0K8GS46XVDekbATtHH0GkGuUKes6PENo93NzSwjP/ceYWC2pr1uKROuNcAzR9FrcKJKHrkMZVnqyQfTA8d/6nQWVbcnwmUQwC6jjB7DibjrpdAHg7a9eKmKCpdEyM3bECL6mjowCqIA9qDg6vdRvWwU2ns= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OxR9iIFK5gxfZHaEJtL4yB2NaiAy9Zj8kKwv89+a4E25yR1FHYRU0lTcbdR/RNQl5O0U2kHDgvejBva1c+EE8t7TnZbbjAfsplb8OuLZBork8oLeP6OZoufL94XtBnBSxffiO278sh+wzUK83vC1dCR5AplQh7hFOQj2gpqKU9E= Received: by 10.82.105.13 with SMTP id d13mr744365buc.1180684205336; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 00:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.185.16 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 00:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 02:50:05 -0500 From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: "n j" In-Reply-To: <92bcbda50705300300g1edba3acg5517aa737be53c5b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <465B86F9.3000001@voidmain.net> <465BFD6F.5090507@netfence.it> <92bcbda50705290356g70381411m185d9067fa1c3c60@mail.gmail.com> <20070529192433.GC38336@demeter.hydra> <92bcbda50705300300g1edba3acg5517aa737be53c5b@mail.gmail.com> Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Java on the BSD Desktop? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 07:50:07 -0000 On 30/05/07, n j wrote: > > I guess if everyone here on this list gives his/her two cents to this > > topic we're having a nice java advocacy flame war. ;-) > > The main characteristic of a flame war is to disparage other people's > arguments while maintaining that your arguments are the best, no? > That's why I'm not going to try and talk anyone out of their poison > :-), be it C, Python, Perl or C#/Mono. That's the beauty of straddling the pale 'twix open source and "Evil". Adoption notwithstanding . . . > Rather, I would like to continue a constructive discussion by speaking > from a personal experience. I apologize in advance if this is OT even > though it is FreeBSD-related and this list does see a lot of > shell/perl/... questions, so I don't see why a Java question should be > illegitimate. Any specific toolkit (recalling that the zeroeth post was IRT a GUI [wrapper|front-end] to an extant tool), be it GTK, athena, QT, java, FLTK, whatever, will naturally exclude those of us who shudder at the thought of $THAT_GRAPHICAL_THING but (and given that this is a survey of exactly one person at a BAC of around 0.110) the broadest installed base on FreeBSD is probably GTK2. Java is easily an order of magnitude difficulter to download, compile, install, and run than almost anything else. Again: adoption v. wot-I-fnordin'-want! -- --