Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:59:37 +1100 From: jonathan michaels <jon@caamora.com.au> To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: makeworld problems Message-ID: <19990129175937.D29745@caamora.com.au> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9901282202320.25507-100000@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu>; from Jason C. Wells on Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 10:06:26PM %2B0000 References: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990128125921.4635A-100000@interport.net> <Pine.BSF.4.05.9901282202320.25507-100000@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu>
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On Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 10:06:26PM +0000, Jason C. Wells wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, alissa bader wrote: > > >runnning 2.2.7, trying to update to the latest stable release > > Jordan Hubbard just made a recommendation on -stable that people not try > to do this unless they are seriously committed to being on the bleeding > edge. YMMV. > > It's not that 3.0-stable is not stable. It's that upgrading and switching > to elf at the same time is yielding some difficulties. > > If you must persist, I recommend grabbing the 3.0-RELEASE install floppy > and doing a binary upgrade to 3.0R. Then go to 3.0 stable from there. let us forget teh numbers fr a moment and settle on teh words -current -stable -release when i started with freebsd (just after 1.1.5.1 well someint like that), -release meant the one you used to build your production environment -stable was a stabe version of current and you could use it on a test machine if you wanted to see what might be coming next, or is you just had to have certain bits of hardware running no matter teh 'reliability factor' -current well as teh name implies this is where it all happens, teh bleeding edge. developers only need aply, or students who have a real need. now it seems to me that teh deploynebt cycle has change so that every body is trying to get to -current as quickly as possible by starting at -stable and working thier way up. using -release only if tey were really stupid or were so raw they just didn't know any better. i don;t have nay probelms with that description because of personal identifications. i keep geting asked by people where they should start .. i keep saying buy a -release cd and build you machine on a known to work kit, they tehn comeback and tell me i'm wrong becaise a few "cowboys" convinced tehm to go to -stable or worse (in my opinion) -current. tehn when the whole project blows up in thier face as invariable it dose . teh questions is always when, never if. and, then, of course freebsd looses anotuer opportunity. is this thier a definitve 'guide to teh useage, care and feeding of freebsd, sources tree ?" in particular one that clearly and emphatically delineated teh different usages and purposes for freebsdv?.?.?-release -stable -current greg lehey in the complete freebsd hints at teh reasons, but not avery body has a copy, more over teh people who really need that one succinct bit of information will never get it because they, in ther minds eye are beyound teh 'begineers' stage. something that has say teh inner circles seal of aproval, that can be pointed at and seen to be 'teh official way to go' as it were. maybe we should as a group, ask people why the are going to someting as raw as a -stable ? it is unfortunate that this question is intertwined with all teh issues associated with the engineering questions associated in teh rollovers that occured in teh version 3 mechanism changes. ergo, > Beware! You need new boot blocks. You need an ELF kernel. You need to fix > some devices which have changed names. > > I think waiting until 3.1 is a very good idea. in respect of teh version 3 cycle waiting for v3.1 is a good idea, what would have been a clearer answer and far more helpfull, espacially concider how alissa (but to all teh others who would read and do a quasi selfidentification) asked her question .. waiting fro freebsd v3.1-release opinions, correction and or a epislte stapled to core letterhead, apreciated. regards jonathan -- =============================================================================== Jonathan Michaels PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia ===========================================================<jon@caamora.com.au> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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