From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 24 14:07:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5918B16A4CE for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 14:07:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from kane.otenet.gr (kane.otenet.gr [195.170.0.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D1BC43D1D for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 14:07:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-b143.otenet.gr [212.205.244.151]) i9OE7QI5001757; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:07:29 +0300 Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i9O9qhUF096911; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:52:44 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id i9O9qhoZ096910; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:52:43 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:52:43 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Kris Kennaway , Dave Horsfall Message-ID: <20041024095243.GA96795@gothmog.gr> References: <20041015092119.GA93093@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> <20041024064506.GA67423@xor.obsecurity.org> <20041015125113.G68950@mippet.ci.com.au> <20041015092119.GA93093@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> <20041024064506.GA67423@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041024064506.GA67423@xor.obsecurity.org> cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Getting LD_LIBRARY_PATH to work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 14:07:34 -0000 On 2004-10-24 16:56, Dave Horsfall wrote: > On 2004-10-23 23:45, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > Meanwhile, back in the real world, we like to be able to help our > > users by letting them easily post questions. > > And nothing's stopping them from doing so. In which real world are you? By trimming everything away and replying to just one sentence of the reply Kris gave, there simply isn't enough context to see what his post was about. Please keep as much of the original post as necessary when replying :-) Here's a view of the surrounding context of these replies, that might help anyone who reads this reply to understand what I write below: On 2004-10-24 16:56, Dave Horsfall wrote: > On 2004-10-23 23:45, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 12:46:05PM +1000, Dave Horsfall wrote: > > > So, is this list a spam-magnet i.e any spammer can post to it without > > > fear? If so, not only have you just lost me as a potential contributor, > > > but it's going to get listed as such. There is *no* excuse for running an > > > open mailing list any more. > > > > Meanwhile, back in the real world, we like to be able to help our > > users by letting them easily post questions. > > And nothing's stopping them from doing so. In which real world are you? What Kris was replying to was the last sentence of your original post on Oct 24, 2004 at 12:46: ``There is *no* excuse for running an open mailing list any more.'' You are right. There is no excuse. There is a very good and important *reason* though, that you might have missed in Kris' reply: ``This mailing list is listed in the web site of FreeBSD as the one, central place where users can post for help. Many of the people who are newcomers to FreeBSD (and Unix in general) might not be comfortable with mailing list servers, subscription to lists, or other complicated[1] things.'' The list is open, so that new FreeBSD users[2] can follow the directions to post to this list as easily as possible: ``Post your question to '' That's it. That's all there is to it. There isn't much that can be done to simplify this even further. This is the most important _reason_ why the list is open. Making it as easy as possible for the new FreeBSD users to post, they will have no problem asking questions, receiving replies and making the best out of their FreeBSD systems. - Giorgos ----- Notes ----- [1] They might not be complicated for you or me, but this doesn't mean a lot. The fact that some people find it hard to understand the concept of a ``mailing list'' does not change because you and I understand how these things work. [2] It's exactly this sort of users that will need the most out of a general questions list. Experienced users will often know where to find the information they need without posting to a list.