From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 4 03:45:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA00317 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 03:45:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA00284; Mon, 4 May 1998 03:44:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA03567; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:44:53 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id MAA03606; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:44:53 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980504124448.41478@follo.net> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 12:44:48 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/www/ijb - Imported sources References: <19980503230438.48318@follo.net> <199805040655.XAA03662@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199805040655.XAA03662@hub.freebsd.org>; from sos@FreeBSD.ORG on Sun, May 03, 1998 at 11:55:29PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, May 03, 1998 at 11:55:29PM -0700, sos@FreeBSD.ORG wrote: > In reply to Eivind Eklund who wrote: > > On Sun, May 03, 1998 at 01:51:41PM -0700, Matthew Hunt wrote: > > Refusing to download ads from the WWW is very bad practice. Those ads are > > paying for the service you're using. I'm not even certain we should have > > the above program as a port - I don't think we'd have a 'automated > > crack-on-download' tool, for instance, and this is actually fairly similar. > > I beg your pardon ?? What planet are you from ?? The same as you - otherwise you wouldn't get my e-mail. > I think that those that put adds on the pages are the bad guys, they > STEAL my bandwith and MY money form the extra connection time it takes to > download, so it should be under AATT ('Automated Anti Theft Tool!) They're also providing the content of the page. If you consider the ads bothersome - then don't view pages containing ads! I'll say it again: The ads are paying for the service. If you drop watching the ads, then you provide less payback to those that develop free services, and thus less opportunity (and possibly less incentive). If you use this kind of software, you're asking for more services to go for membership only. BTW: I don't know if you noticed the smiley after that suggestion for name. > I welcome this exiting new piece of very usefull software, and its going > to be installed here as soon as I get the time to do it. Sure, it is useful. It makes things easier for the consumers at the cost of the producers - giving the producers nothing back, while cutting the costs of the consumers by perhaps 1/3. It is useful the same way as getting free phone service and not paying your tickets on the bus is useful - it gives you a better service at the cost of the provider. This is contrary to long-term survival of the medium (buses get shut down, websites get advertisement-protection, force people to use Java/ActiveX, or switch to a pay-for-access model). That's why it is bad practice. > I'm pretty sure this will be a hit amongst alot of our users... > In fact I think that alot of ISP's will take this as a gift > from heaven :) Sure. Is that _the_ criterion for something being right? (I could come up with a lot of examples of how doing things marketingwise right would be technically wrong, and counter to long-term strategy. I'm certain you can, too, so I won't.) Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message