From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 16 09:40:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8DF16A41F for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 09:40:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout2.cac.washington.edu (mxout2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58D2413C457 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 09:40:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.33.7] (may be forged)) by mxout2.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.05) with ESMTP id l5G9edHp016510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 02:40:39 -0700 X-Auth-Received: from [192.168.10.45] (c-24-10-12-194.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.10.12.194]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.03) with ESMTP id l5G9ecsn019353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 02:40:38 -0700 Message-ID: <4673B019.5080203@u.washington.edu> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 02:40:41 -0700 From: Garrett Cooper User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sam Lawrance References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-PMX-Version: 5.3.1.294258, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.1.298604, Antispam-Data: 2007.6.16.21852 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HIGHBITS 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __RUS_HASHBUSTER_KOI8R 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __USER_AGENT 0' Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AMD deciding _now_ what to do about Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 09:40:42 -0000 Sam Lawrance wrote: > > On 16/06/2007, at 6:07 AM, youshi10@u.washington.edu wrote: > >> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Ali Mashtizadeh wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Sun's pushing ATI/AMD to provide good drivers for Solaris, so it >>> means they >>> will have to work on the portability issue of their drivers. It is >>> probably >>> the best time to influence AMD's decision since they are going to do >>> what >>> Sun tells them. Nvidia has an easier time porting their drivers >>> since the >>> core of the driver is the same across all platforms AFAIK. >>> Hopefully, they >>> will realize the best stratedgy is to open source their drivers, >>> which there >>> has been some hints about it recently. >>> >>> -- >>> Ali Mashtizadeh >>> علی مشتی زاده >>> >>> On 6/15/07, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 02:03:39PM -0400, Ali Mashtizadeh wrote: >>>> > Hey everyone, >>>> > >>>> > This email went out on Xorg I thought it might be useful for all >>>> of us >>>> stuck >>>> > with ATI cards. We should all show our interest in AMD helping >>>> out the >>>> BSD >>>> > community as well! Just like Nvidia has been doing! >>>> >>>> "Linux strategy" -- gotta love the use of the word "strategy", like >>>> they're playing chess or Risk or Daisenryaku. Yes, because supporting >>>> an operating system involves "strategy". >>>> >>>> Not to sound rude, but I wouldn't hold your breath over the statement. >>>> Yes, *absolutely* mail them and show support for the BSDs, and tell >>>> them >>>> you'll be happy to beta test whatever they put out (as long as they >>>> have >>>> a good feedback method for reporting those bugs; not some defunct HTML >>>> form web page that sends submissions to /dev/null). >>>> >>>> I believe AMD/ATI cares about providing a good driver base (for Linux >>>> and probably the BSDs), but no matter how many customers mail them, >>>> the >>>> reality of the situation is a disappointing one: managers and >>>> executives >>>> of sorts are who have say over all of this, who decide all of this, >>>> and >>>> who ultimately make the statements on all of this. As a Texan >>>> co-worker >>>> of mine says, "too many chiefs, not enough indians". nVidia has the >>>> same "problem", for what it's worth. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at >>>> parodius.com | >>>> | Parodius Networking >>>> http://www.parodius.com/ | >>>> | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, >>>> CA, USA | >>>> | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: >>>> 4BD6C0CB | >> >> 1. This shouldn't have been sent to the hackers@ list, because it's >> more of a discussion than a technical topic. >> 2. Please top post. >> >> Disregarding those 2 comments, I have a few thoughts: > > I'd certainly disregard that second point. > > :-) Yes. s/top post/don't top post/ -Garrett