From owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 14 09:22:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: net@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD21216A412; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 09:22:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oleg@lath.rinet.ru) Received: from lath.rinet.ru (lath.rinet.ru [195.54.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57E843CB7; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 09:21:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from oleg@lath.rinet.ru) Received: from lath.rinet.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lath.rinet.ru (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBE9MmIb021455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:22:48 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from oleg@lath.rinet.ru) Received: (from oleg@localhost) by lath.rinet.ru (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id kBE9MmNh021454; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:22:48 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from oleg) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:22:48 +0300 From: Oleg Bulyzhin To: MQ Message-ID: <20061214092248.GA21394@lath.rinet.ru> References: <20061206085401.GH32700@cell.sick.ru> <20061212224351.GE91560@lath.rinet.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: net@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [antinvidia@gmail.com: some questions about bge(4)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-net@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Networking and TCP/IP with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 09:22:55 -0000 On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 12:55:51AM +0000, MQ wrote: > 2006/12/12, Oleg Bulyzhin : > > > >On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 11:54:01AM +0300, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > >> Forwarding to net@ list and to Oleg, who has made polling > >> support for bge(4). > >> > >> ----- Forwarded message from MQ < antinvidia@gmail.com> ----- > >> > >> From: MQ > >> To: glebius@freebsd.org, davidch@broadcom.com > >> Subject: some questions about bge(4) > >> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 09:32:27 +0000 > >> Delivered-To: glebius@freebsd.org > >> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; > >> s=beta; d=gmail.com; > >> > >h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; > >> > >b=ZL3ZZ1zR0mt4LaUN2Rr+jXTPSzQgJYRwLiwKnv95r2UCEids5Wl7oA2BNgicJ2QRG8OalJ7DqY7lM1HBgv0OVTlXOhGQ9aFmKQAuTNi6ueZA817XUacXyViEepnj0oNyYgAnkbaaBO1+nl2Fpb3IxV+MIe575WRlqbglF8kdOek= > > > >> > >> Hi David and Gleb, > >> I'm using several chips whose driver is bge(4). And now I have some > >> questions about the driver, would you please an answer for me? > >> My confusion is related with some codes in /sys/dev/mii/brgphy.c. The > > > >> bge(4) uses the callout to drive the watchdog. And the brgphy_service() > >is > >> called once per second. It calls brgphy_mii_phy_auto() every 5 seconds > >to > >> autonegotiate the media. Normally, it costs about 0.5ms in the first > >> function brgphy_service(), and about 5ms when autonegotiation is > >proceeded. > > > >brgphy_mii_phy_auto() is called only if there is no link. > > > >> I haven't done streestest on it, consequently I don't know if this > >delay > >> will cause packets to be dropped. But I've enabled device polling with > >the > >> bge(4) on FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE. If HZ is set to a high value(e.g. 4000), > >this > >> delay will cause the kern.polling.lost_polls to increase by one or two > >every > >> second. And for about five seconds, the lost poll will increase by at > >least > >> 16 regularly. So I think this behavior has some impact on the systems > >that > >> enables device polling. Could we get something to make the bge(4) a bit > >more > >> friendly to the device polling? I don't know if autonegotiation is > >really > >> needed to be called so frequently when we are connected to a good > >network > >> environment. Can I modify the interval between two autonegotiations to > >have > >> less lost_polls? However, I have no idea about the long time spent in > >the > >> brgphy_service(), please take a look at the problem when you have enough > >> time. > > > >If you have lost poll it does not guarantee packet loss. > >Packets can be retrieved by next poll or even by idle_poll thread. > >bge_tick() is doing couple of pci register reads (it's polling phy status > >and > >updates some statistic counters), this why it takes some time. > > > >Anyway, you are right about too short autonegotiation timer, i'll fix it > >soon. > > > >> > >> Regards > >> MQ > >> > >> ----- End forwarded message ----- > >> > >> -- > >> Totus tuus, Glebius. > >> GLEBIUS-RIPN GLEB-RIPE > > > >-- > >Oleg. > > > >================================================================ > >=== Oleg Bulyzhin -- OBUL-RIPN -- OBUL-RIPE -- oleg@rinet.ru === > >================================================================ > > > > > > Oh, I didn't connect to switch in my previous testings, so I didn't notice > that the brgphy_mii_phy_auto() is called only there is no link. It's my > fault. Therefore there won't be a problem with this. > > By the way, bge_tick() takes about 0.5ms to finish its work, this results > the lost poll every second when HZ is higher. Lower HZ will limit the > performance under heavy traffic, and may result packet loss in that > situation. And higher HZ will make a confusing situation that whether we > have encountered a packet loss? It's really hard to make a decision between > these two kinds of situation. IMO, high HZ would not give perfomance gain if you have idle polling on (sysctl kern.polling.idle_poll=1). So it's better to have HZ=1000 & idle polling, than HZ=10000 and idle polling disabled. -- Oleg. ================================================================ === Oleg Bulyzhin -- OBUL-RIPN -- OBUL-RIPE -- oleg@rinet.ru === ================================================================