From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Sat Jan 26 00:39:10 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4A814A7053 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2019 00:39:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D061382FCB for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2019 00:39:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 903C814A7051; Sat, 26 Jan 2019 00:39:09 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B72C14A7050 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2019 00:39:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C543D82FC7; Sat, 26 Jan 2019 00:39:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id x0Q0d6S9090976; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 16:39:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id x0Q0d6mE090975; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 16:39:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201901260039.x0Q0d6mE090975@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Importing mksh in base In-Reply-To: <20190125093042.GB26635@v2> To: "Edward Tomasz Napiera?a" Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 16:39:06 -0800 (PST) CC: Gleb Popov , arch@freebsd.org, Baptiste Daroussin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C543D82FC7 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.96 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.959,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2019 00:39:10 -0000 > On 0125T2110, Gleb Popov wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 8:58 PM Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > I would like to import mksh in base, https://www.mirbsd.org/mksh.htm > > > And make it the default root shell (not necessary in one step) > > > > > > Why: > > > 1/ it is tiny 400k (in the packaged version) all other shells fitting the > > > expectation are bigger > > > 2/ it's default frontend in interactive mode is very close to what most > > > people > > > are used to with bash > > > > > > Are there FreeBSD users that are used to bash? If not, this proposal looks > > like another "let's do like Linux" thing. > > To be honest I'd expect most FreeBSD users to be used to bash. I know > I was, until few years ago I've moved to zsh. You can expect it, and you might be able to collect some data to confirm that, but without that data this is a wag. > Most people nowadays come from Linux background, sometimes also OSX. I suspect, without data though, we get more people coming from Windows to FreeBSD than we do from Linux to FreeBSD. > aND THat means their primary shell, the one they are used to, is bash, > since it's the default on both of those platforms. It's fine to > provide something different if it is actually better - but being different > just for the sake of it, like defaulting to a shell that can't handle > a basic "2>&1", is not. This is none sense. csh syntax for 2>&1 is simple >&. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org