From nobody Fri Mar 21 13:13:15 2025 X-Original-To: virtualization@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ZK2vT6cpFz5rBpq for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:13:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dch@skunkwerks.at) Received: from fhigh-b5-smtp.messagingengine.com (fhigh-b5-smtp.messagingengine.com [202.12.124.156]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4ZK2vT4yNRz3fXG for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:13:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dch@skunkwerks.at) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from phl-compute-08.internal (phl-compute-08.phl.internal [10.202.2.48]) by mailfhigh.stl.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE122540209; Fri, 21 Mar 2025 09:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phl-imap-15 ([10.202.2.104]) by phl-compute-08.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 21 Mar 2025 09:13:40 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=skunkwerks.at; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type :date:date:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:references:reply-to:subject:subject:to:to; s=fm2; t=1742562820; x=1742649220; bh=eJhLvhFWWUwtZ3H9TQHZWLPwXDMokTRa LqLvvEC3TuY=; b=VxewI+LfVqhKklsttK5FmuPiN1yy4TG6gqfgGO2bm4DWgHPU bWIUe2WpFnOskdP3XOdLJdeIGjyvpYv55Ev6HICdkRWxt5oNNfO2K4PFDxt1LSGk f3NK8zfYBPnXHOhcBWehfI4VwXNTViIXNmX402yLY99VPYK90Sjqg0y9Wg41rCOj vRYBqJ9K49mpwtltATwKztbpBShy7Qcn9VMA0v50EdCaE9bNoqWlXpoPYOoWzzhH ukrxjm6d4jzjhF0xFQEx0NLievH1Lm7E8ngOU34ZYdVy1Z+2f4hPs2VVPwr4YlJk kmw2BAVT4A0squVdJ917M3YzP3tXUfQOWunOlQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id :from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:reply-to:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; t=1742562820; x= 1742649220; bh=eJhLvhFWWUwtZ3H9TQHZWLPwXDMokTRaLqLvvEC3TuY=; b=E PYioWcIewHA04K2mdgOhr/iFwGAfP5A+DNYBG8D/VKlWbjJ7RZDvWpA3hIyvDEeq /ME593BEZOHKp6IHsbtZoP+sSzdra/ILzD9VEISLJOW1Ns9wG224e9mUVmYmP3JC GQBTOtyieduQO8garXl8OlS8fhLko44K/KNxLRfcUsUMsw3GW36Gg+ohfrl2IdRW pR3xh57cnCCAr4yN0VnIFATWnKgt/tQc2HMmAOthQNtQYTlfvgzw322/tzuL/Qr/ 2hgzQclz84BR4X18CrDNkFvi/a1K9OeyVjrVBO14+gwMm0Hzu7AvR4fE3PIslwdX e6w7ingXzpsp+szr73jhw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeefvddrtddtgdduheduudelucetufdoteggodetrf dotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggv pdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefogg ffhffvvefkjghfufgtgfesthejredtredttdenucfhrhhomhepfdffrghvvgcuvehothht lhgvhhhusggvrhdfuceouggthhesshhkuhhnkhifvghrkhhsrdgrtheqnecuggftrfgrth htvghrnheptdfhtdfhvdejgeethedvveevhfdvheefleehieelhfeihfevleeileekuddt gfffnecuffhomhgrihhnpehfrhgvvggsshgurdhorhhgpdihohhuthhusggvrdgtohhmne cuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepuggthhes shhkuhhnkhifvghrkhhsrdgrthdpnhgspghrtghpthhtohepfedpmhhouggvpehsmhhtph houhhtpdhrtghpthhtohepvgguihhtohhrsegtrghllhhfohhrthgvshhtihhnghdrohhr ghdprhgtphhtthhopehvihhrthhurghlihiirghtihhonhesfhhrvggvsghsugdrohhrgh dprhgtphhtthhopehsuhhpvghrsghishhquhhithesghhmrghilhdrtghomh X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: ic0e84090:Fastmail Received: by mailuser.phl.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 2AB6F78006A; Fri, 21 Mar 2025 09:13:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface List-Id: Discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-virtualization List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-virtualization@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ThreadId: T4c6afac3fbcad338 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:13:15 +0000 From: "Dave Cottlehuber" To: "Michael Dexter" , "Joe Nosay" Cc: virtualization@freebsd.org Message-Id: <68c2eeb1-774b-4af6-8e0c-a91e7f0f2314@app.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <58b53cd6-162d-4630-94e5-79253bd15e7d@callfortesting.org> References: <58b53cd6-162d-4630-94e5-79253bd15e7d@callfortesting.org> Subject: Re: Bhyve on ppc64 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4ZK2vT4yNRz3fXG X-Spamd-Bar: ---- On Fri, 21 Mar 2025, at 08:31, Michael Dexter wrote: > On 3/3/25 10:04 AM, Joe Nosay wrote: >> Has this been built; or, will I need to edit? > > By edit, do you mean update the FreeBSD sources to support Power > virtualization? Hi Dexter, Joe, I read Joe's question as "is there bhyve on ppc64". Unless there's a private fork, today bhyve exists on amd64, arm64, risvc only - see the subdirs https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/usr.sbin/bhyve . > Power, RISC-V, and ARM64 virtualization came up on Thursday with > enthusiasm about various Power platforms: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQwnlNL4cOI > > Does anyone know why there are no PPC VM-IMAGES? > > Dexter In answer to your question, why no PPC VM IMAGES, it needs 2 things: - patches to /usr/src/release/tools/ to build the appropriate images from sources (i.e. locally for developers) - an indication of enough demand to add the plumbing so that these images are built as part of releng tooling like we do regularly for stable/current/releases etc (i.e. on downloads.freebsd.org ) The patches themselves aren't typically complicated, you just need to get familiar with the Makefiles that are used for other platforms in here https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/release/ . The latter question is up for debate, I expect the venn diagram of people using ppc, and people who will use VM images *but can't build them from sources* is not big enough to justify building & storing the images every week on all the mirrors, but making it available for people to build them from sources seems reasonable, if somebody wants to work on it. It *may* also require proper qemu ppc64 support, I don't know if that's already possible, to cross-build packages on amd64 builders, for ppc64 architecture. A+ Dave