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[93.72.151.96]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id r14sm1701984lff.44.2019.06.01.01.02.11 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 01 Jun 2019 01:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: svn commit: r344648 - in head: . sys/kern sys/sys To: Warner Losh , Kevin Bowling Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , Alexey Dokuchaev , Brooks Davis , svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers , Mateusz Guzik References: <201905312217.x4VMH3YH031668@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> From: Andriy Gapon Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=avg@FreeBSD.org; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsFNBFm4LIgBEADNB/3lT7f15UKeQ52xCFQx/GqHkSxEdVyLFZTmY3KyNPQGBtyvVyBfprJ7 mAeXZWfhat6cKNRAGZcL5EmewdQuUfQfBdYmKjbw3a9GFDsDNuhDA2QwFt8BmkiVMRYyvI7l N0eVzszWCUgdc3qqM6qqcgBaqsVmJluwpvwp4ZBXmch5BgDDDb1MPO8AZ2QZfIQmplkj8Y6Z AiNMknkmgaekIINSJX8IzRzKD5WwMsin70psE8dpL/iBsA2cpJGzWMObVTtCxeDKlBCNqM1i gTXta1ukdUT7JgLEFZk9ceYQQMJJtUwzWu1UHfZn0Fs29HTqawfWPSZVbulbrnu5q55R4PlQ /xURkWQUTyDpqUvb4JK371zhepXiXDwrrpnyyZABm3SFLkk2bHlheeKU6Yql4pcmSVym1AS4 dV8y0oHAfdlSCF6tpOPf2+K9nW1CFA8b/tw4oJBTtfZ1kxXOMdyZU5fiG7xb1qDgpQKgHUX8 7Rd2T1UVLVeuhYlXNw2F+a2ucY+cMoqz3LtpksUiBppJhw099gEXehcN2JbUZ2TueJdt1FdS ztnZmsHUXLxrRBtGwqnFL7GSd6snpGIKuuL305iaOGODbb9c7ne1JqBbkw1wh8ci6vvwGlzx rexzimRaBzJxlkjNfMx8WpCvYebGMydNoeEtkWldtjTNVsUAtQARAQABzR5BbmRyaXkgR2Fw b24gPGF2Z0BGcmVlQlNELm9yZz7CwZQEEwEIAD4WIQS+LEO7ngQnXA4Bjr538m7TUc1yjwUC WbgsiAIbIwUJBaOagAULCQgHAgYVCAkKCwIEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRB38m7TUc1yj+JAEACV l9AK/nOWAt/9cufV2fRj0hdOqB1aCshtSrwHk/exXsDa4/FkmegxXQGY+3GWX3deIyesbVRL rYdtdK0dqJyT1SBqXK1h3/at9rxr9GQA6KWOxTjUFURsU7ok/6SIlm8uLRPNKO+yq0GDjgaO LzN+xykuBA0FlhQAXJnpZLcVfPJdWv7sSHGedL5ln8P8rxR+XnmsA5TUaaPcbhTB+mG+iKFj GghASDSfGqLWFPBlX/fpXikBDZ1gvOr8nyMY9nXhgfXpq3B6QCRYKPy58ChrZ5weeJZ29b7/ QdEO8NFNWHjSD9meiLdWQaqo9Y7uUxN3wySc/YUZxtS0bhAd8zJdNPsJYG8sXgKjeBQMVGuT eCAJFEYJqbwWvIXMfVWop4+O4xB+z2YE3jAbG/9tB/GSnQdVSj3G8MS80iLS58frnt+RSEw/ psahrfh0dh6SFHttE049xYiC+cM8J27Aaf0i9RflyITq57NuJm+AHJoU9SQUkIF0nc6lfA+o JRiyRlHZHKoRQkIg4aiKaZSWjQYRl5Txl0IZUP1dSWMX4s3XTMurC/pnja45dge/4ESOtJ9R 8XuIWg45Oq6MeIWdjKddGhRj3OohsltKgkEU3eLKYtB6qRTQypHHUawCXz88uYt5e3w4V16H lCpSTZV/EVHnNe45FVBlvK7k7HFfDDkryM7BTQRZuCyIARAAlq0slcsVboY/+IUJdcbEiJRW be9HKVz4SUchq0z9MZPX/0dcnvz/gkyYA+OuM78dNS7Mbby5dTvOqfpLJfCuhaNYOhlE0wY+ 1T6Tf1f4c/uA3U/YiadukQ3+6TJuYGAdRZD5EqYFIkreARTVWg87N9g0fT9BEqLw9lJtEGDY EWUE7L++B8o4uu3LQFEYxcrb4K/WKmgtmFcm77s0IKDrfcX4doV92QTIpLiRxcOmCC/OCYuO jB1oaaqXQzZrCutXRK0L5XN1Y1PYjIrEzHMIXmCDlLYnpFkK+itlXwlE2ZQxkfMruCWdQXye syl2fynAe8hvp7Mms9qU2r2K9EcJiR5N1t1C2/kTKNUhcRv7Yd/vwusK7BqJbhlng5ZgRx0m WxdntU/JLEntz3QBsBsWM9Y9wf2V4tLv6/DuDBta781RsCB/UrU2zNuOEkSixlUiHxw1dccI 6CVlaWkkJBxmHX22GdDFrcjvwMNIbbyfQLuBq6IOh8nvu9vuItup7qemDG3Ms6TVwA7BD3j+ 3fGprtyW8Fd/RR2bW2+LWkMrqHffAr6Y6V3h5kd2G9Q8ZWpEJk+LG6Mk3fhZhmCnHhDu6CwN MeUvxXDVO+fqc3JjFm5OxhmfVeJKrbCEUJyM8ESWLoNHLqjywdZga4Q7P12g8DUQ1mRxYg/L HgZY3zfKOqcAEQEAAcLBfAQYAQgAJhYhBL4sQ7ueBCdcDgGOvnfybtNRzXKPBQJZuCyIAhsM BQkFo5qAAAoJEHfybtNRzXKPBVwQAKfFy9P7N3OsLDMB56A4Kf+ZT+d5cIx0Yiaf4n6w7m3i ImHHHk9FIetI4Xe54a2IXh4Bq5UkAGY0667eIs+Z1Ea6I2i27Sdo7DxGwq09Qnm/Y65ADvXs 3aBvokCcm7FsM1wky395m8xUos1681oV5oxgqeRI8/76qy0hD9WR65UW+HQgZRIcIjSel9vR XDaD2HLGPTTGr7u4v00UeTMs6qvPsa2PJagogrKY8RXdFtXvweQFz78NbXhluwix2Tb9ETPk LIpDrtzV73CaE2aqBG/KrboXT2C67BgFtnk7T7Y7iKq4/XvEdDWscz2wws91BOXuMMd4c/c4 OmGW9m3RBLufFrOag1q5yUS9QbFfyqL6dftJP3Zq/xe+mr7sbWbhPVCQFrH3r26mpmy841ym dwQnNcsbIGiBASBSKksOvIDYKa2Wy8htPmWFTEOPRpFXdGQ27awcjjnB42nngyCK5ukZDHi6 w0qK5DNQQCkiweevCIC6wc3p67jl1EMFY5+z+zdTPb3h7LeVnGqW0qBQl99vVFgzLxchKcl0 R/paSFgwqXCZhAKMuUHncJuynDOP7z5LirUeFI8qsBAJi1rXpQoLJTVcW72swZ42IdPiboqx NbTMiNOiE36GqMcTPfKylCbF45JNX4nF9ElM0E+Y8gi4cizJYBRr2FBJgay0b9Cp Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 11:02:11 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 64A8886809 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.74 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.74)[-0.737,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2019 08:08:40 -0000 On 01/06/2019 03:46, Warner Losh wrote: > When we move to git, stuff like this just won't matter. So it's hard to get > worked up about it now... and even if we weren't heading that way, the history > preserved is so small as to say more than "meh" here. There is too little ROI to > get worked up about. Still, even a token reply would have been nice. Much better than starting to ignore *everything* that a fellow developer writes. "Yeah, looks like I screwed up. But fixing it is more work than it's worth. Sorry about that. Thanks." > On Fri, May 31, 2019, 4:56 PM Kevin Bowling > wrote: > > The vast majority of contributors don't enjoy nit-picking on these > trivialities. If the broader developer community is not rallying for > the revert and some core conspiracy doesn't care about it either, that > forms the de facto opinion of the FreeBSD community of today that this > is trivial and irrelevant. > > Yes, there is vocal absolutism on the fringes about SHALLS and MUSTS > about all sorts of things aside from modernizing FreeBSD and making it > viable on current generation hardware.  These parties might be happier > and better aligned with OpenBSD ideologically as well as > personalities. > > Regards, > Kevin > > On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 3:17 PM Rodney W. Grimes > > wrote: > > > > > I know of several people that have blocked your mail.  Maybe a moment > > > for reflection on your attitude and approach if you want to be taken > > > seriously. > > > > I would consider repository damange and abuse to be VERY serious. > > I would also consider the treatmeant I am seeing of danfe boarder > > line on contempt. > > But then I also know there are probably some that have blocked me. > > The project, sadly is spiraling around a toilet, and someone is about to > flush.... > > > > It is not what you hear, it is what you are not hearing that makes me say > these things... > > And espcially what core seams to not be willing to hear, and is literly (I > can proove this) > > paying lip service to "solicited feedback". > > > > I asked about some of my solicited feedback, and a core member said he > > could not find it in his inbox and that I needed to locate and provide > > him a pointer to it.  THAT my friends is not solicited feedback, that is > > /dev/null of feedback and just plain out right unexcusable. > > > > And note above all else the "product" of the FreeBSD project is NOT > > releases, it IS the repository, and if we get sloppy with that product > > it makes life harder for our consumers.  If you have ever tried to > > find the history of a deleted object (which is what the process being > > complained about here creaetes) it is a royal PITA. > > > > Regards, > > Rod > > > > > On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 8:50 AM Alexey Dokuchaev > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 03:20:50PM +0000, Brooks Davis wrote: > > > > > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 09:11:36AM +0000, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 03:11:40PM +0000, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 07:47:51AM +0000, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 10:56:55PM +0000, Mateusz Guzik wrote: > > > > > > > > > New Revision: 344648 > > > > > > > > > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/344648 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Log: > > > > > > > > >   Rename seq to seqc to avoid namespace clashes with Linux > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > Added: > > > > > > > > >   head/sys/sys/seqc.h   (contents, props changed) > > > > > > > > > Deleted: > > > > > > > > >   head/sys/sys/seq.h > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why it was deleted and added as new file instead of being > repocopied? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Retransmit. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ping! > > > > > > > > > > Do you have nothing better to do? > > > > > > > > Oh, I have a lot on my plate, thanks for asking.  Now, back to the > subject: > > > > > > > > - I think that this commit was executed badly (not via repocopy) > > > > - I've been trying to contact mjg@ for several weeks, to no avail :( > > > > - All I get in return is an email from a fellow committer asking me > > > >   if I have anything better to do > > > > > > > > Sorry, I don't understand this.  I don't understand why we ignore email > > > > from our own community.  I don't understand why we do not correct or at > > > > least explain why what looks like a mistake is actually not(?).  I don't > > > > understand why I'm being ridiculed, not those who make dubious commits > > > > and fail to defend them. > > > > > > > > ./danfe > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > svn-src-head@freebsd.org mailing list > > > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/svn-src-head > > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "svn-src-head-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Rod Grimes                                                >  rgrimes@freebsd.org > -- Andriy Gapon