From owner-freebsd-security Wed Mar 5 13:42:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A40E37B401; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 13:42:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from kobold.compt.com (TBextgw.compt.com [209.115.146.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134E443FCB; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 13:42:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from klaus@kobold.compt.com) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:42:39 -0500 From: Klaus Steden To: Brett Glass Cc: Kris Kennaway , "Jacques A. Vidrine" , David Schultz , freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Does the patching procedure work? Message-ID: <20030305164239.A543@cthulu.compt.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030305121248.02c5e720@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20030305100150.048518c0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20030305052142.03f04200@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20030305050739.03f078f0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20030305052142.03f04200@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20030305100150.048518c0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20030305121248.02c5e720@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20030305122841.02c8b7b0@localhost> <20030305194030.GA11776@rot13.obsecurity.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20030305124322.02c8f100@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030305124322.02c8f100@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 12:46:47PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > >How about you give it a rest now, Brett. You've been loudly demanding > >what several people have repeatedly explained to you is already the > >case, > > I'll drop the thread, but you're missing the point. The problem is that > maintaining production FreeBSD systems is still far too time-consuming > and awkward. It's a security issue AND a usability issue. The project > as a whole really needs to get a handle on this issue. > You could use Windows. They force you to install security fixes and upgrades autmagically from the Internet. Klaus To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message