From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Jan 15 22:33:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32AB937B402 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:33:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish ([10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0G6XUB00293; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:33:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <01b801c19e57$b787d3c0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Matt Penna" , References: <15428.34332.870130.2946@guru.mired.org> <00cc01c19e06$8dafddf0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15428.38970.224790.33804@guru.mired.org> <5.1.0.14.2.20020115165450.031143a0@vmspop.isc.rit.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020115185326.034e82e0@vmspop.isc.rit.edu> Subject: Re: USB CF reader (SanDisk) epilog Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:33:30 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matt writes: > Letting someone know there's something wrong is > just the first step ... The first step is determining whether or not something is wrong. With no information at all concerning this error message, I don't know if the behavior I see is wrong or not. While it seems wildly improbable that the entire system must be destabilized due to just one error on one device, perhaps there is something I don't know. Unfortunately, with no documentation, there isn't any way to find out. I don't like to submit bug reports without being reasonably certain that what I'm reporting is actually a bug, and not expected and normal behavior. > ... you are basically saying that you show no > interest in sending a PR in any event ... I don't send PRs at the drop of a hat. I used to receive reports like that when I was a developer, and it was very time-consuming to receive reports on "bugs" that turned out not to be bugs at all, but just user ignorance or inappropriate user action. > ... or in making any effort to fix a given problem ... I can't make any effort to fix a problem without documentation. > ... and therefore expect someone else to spoon= > feed you the information you need. There isn't any other source of information. > If this is not actually the way you feel, I > apologize, but please understand that this is > the impression that I get from your messages. No need to apologize; I'm aware that the standard reasoning of the angry young male invariably runs along these lines. > Sending PR's brings any issue you have to the > direct attention of the people most qualified > to handle it ... It may also waste their time, if it is not actually a bug. > A problem in the code may only crop up on your > specific hardware setup ... I found zillions of questions about it on the Web, but no answers, so I'm not alone. > In running FreeBSD or any other free OS, it is > not required that you give anything back, but > responding with indignance when someone suggests > that you do so is not a good way to make friends > or earn people's respect. Taking every comment on an OS as a personal challenge isn't a good way to promote use of that OS, either. I'm not trying to make friends or get respect; I'm just trying to get the OS to function reliably. It would be nice if I didn't have to fight my way past a crowd of angry young males to get to the root of problems each time they arise. They remind me a bit of stray dogs: every time you look at them, they interpret it as a challenge, instead of just noting that they are being looked at. > If you find a workaround or a solution for your > problem, but refuse to send a PR explaining how > to reproduce and resolve the error even though > you are able to do so, you are tacitly refusing > to help anyone who has the same problem later on. Right now, I'm a long way from a workaround or solution. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message