From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 9 20:50:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A8016A4B3 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (u173n10.eastlink.ca [24.224.173.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7878443FD7 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0D3773508B; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:48:49 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA06345FA; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:48:49 -0300 (ADT) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:48:49 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Kris Kennaway In-Reply-To: <20031010033143.GA11384@rot13.obsecurity.org> Message-ID: <20031010004639.A28590@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20030803200948.GA10712@lewiz.org> <200310091700.09658.kennyf@pchg.net> <20031009212824.Q28590@ganymede.hub.org> <20031009221555.W28590@ganymede.hub.org> <20031010033143.GA11384@rot13.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: FreeBSD-questions cc: Lewis Thompson cc: Kenny Freeman Subject: Re: Jail FS questions. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 03:50:01 -0000 On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 10:19:46PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > > If I use unionfs as the ``base'' for the jail then every directory seems > > > to be automagically owned by the person that mounted it (i.e. root). > > > This causes me problems for stuff like mailspool, etc. I think this is > > > the way unionfs works though, not an issue I am personally having. > > > > Ah, neat ... I'd never noticed that before ... its never affected anything > > as far as I've experienced though, but we don't unionfs mount /var, as > > there is a bug in unionfs dealing with sockets that mounting /var causing > > the server to crash repeatedly ... > > See..that's just what I'm talking about. Software that "works fine as > long as you remember not to do X, Y or Z, which will crash the system" > is what is called "not production quality". Advocating that users > (which are not the same as testers, or developers) use it anyway on > their production systems is irresponsible. Shooting down ppl that are willing to test and report bugs is equally as irresponsible though, and I've been seeing alot of that ... I don't remember whom it was that did it, but I remember a bunch of PRs closed recently with the 'big scary warning' as the excuse for ignoring the PRs ... the bugs that the reports revolved around haven't gone away, but someon felt taht since ppl are warned against using it, that those that do shouldn't be filling up GNaTs with PRs about it ...