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Date:      Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:43:33 +1030
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        Gustavo Vieira Goncalves Coelho Rios <gustavo@ifour.com.br>
Cc:        Charlie Root <root@takiweb.yi.org>, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, liberty6@twcny.rr.com
Subject:   OpenBSD or FreeBSD? (was: pissed!!!)
Message-ID:  <20001102124333.F13225@wantadilla.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <3A00AF92.A731834F@ifour.com.br>; from gustavo@ifour.com.br on Thu, Nov 02, 2000 at 12:04:34AM %2B0000
References:  <200010311342.IAA00323@takiweb.yi.org> <20001101135036.T79472@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3A00AF92.A731834F@ifour.com.br>

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On Thursday,  2 November 2000 at  0:04:34 +0000, Gustavo Vieira Goncalves Coelho Rios wrote:
> Greg Lehey wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, 31 October 2000 at  8:42:25 -0500, Charlie Root wrote:
>>> Dear freebsd.org,
>>>    I am PISSED!!! I used to be a winblows user, converted to Linux, and
>>> ran OpenBSD for a few months. But since I've installed the $49.99
>>> CompUSA boxed version of FreeBSD 4.0, when I run startx my system
>>> crashes! Is this what you consider to be "rock-solid stability??"
>>> Sometimes when I run startx, I get X to work. The other times, my
>>> system crashes to a point where I need to do a physical powerdown
>>> of my machine, cause even ctrl-alt-del wont work.
>>>    I have a pentium 2 300MHz class machine, with an SiS 5598
>>> video board. Nobody in the chat rooms knows anything about what I'm
>>> talking about. And I am PISSED!!! OpenBSD was working great (even via an
>>> ftp install!) But no, FreeBSD wants to be the luser in my box!!
>>> What should I do to fix this problem???
>>> Please email me with the fix!
>>
>> Reinstall OpenBSD.
>
> That's the point here, the sentence "rock solid" is just that, a
> sentence!
> FreeBSD is stable, but my experience with Open has showed me what a more
> controlled project can reach in terms of quality, for instance, openbsd
> does not have their developer commiting CURRENT code to the STABLE
> branch, and this happens in Free!

This sounds like an attempt to wash dirty linen in public.  In the few
occasions where committers have misbehaved in the past, the matter has
always been resolved without any affect to the stability of the
product.  And "Charlie Root" was installing a RELEASE.

> My suggestion is like Greg's one, reinstall OpenBSD.

But apparently for different reasons.  I said it because it would have
been too difficult to help this guy, and if OpenBSD works for him, he
should stick with it.  If another person has the same problem
(whatever it might be), and he knows how to document it, I would
probably help him stay with FreeBSD.  Note that the original problem
appears to be with X, not with the OS, and X is the same across all
three platforms.

Greg
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