From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Tue Feb 19 00:38:05 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D206914F19F9 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 00:38:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-qt1-x830.google.com (mail-qt1-x830.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::830]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 998028D7A0 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 00:38:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-qt1-x830.google.com with SMTP id b8so21248459qtr.9 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 16:38:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=W+gVelf03l7sawq+hkQ65zcvFhaH63dWKP8Jp1LA1Tw=; b=cXlqfFjF0ZGTGzQzGhBW4cENOah/qk2517U4QbAizzug1bowZAnxDo6F4kwGrXJpHl d3x8iyYPLcqflJ/iKsquA8EzhhH93JNNLwNlmQB60DHbYojdYRfzAkGrIoRK8pPuX8oK TztDxDUpMuFtfR+NOToqo0s6OEs3aiKxn1XTltUwoMkzptCWP8kUDYm+VlPlQ8WY5OR1 Zyk5ueDjIzMintF4HlZ0UcN3n7cMKRhDy52LA+LemHwK+f+08MJQfBdOAgvidsvvtxXZ ww06jMgRdBwpfzmR5Vu337gZXyYWGPO7zfcjM9KY0CYhLUCY0lKEdDj5Q9WvxKvRk2BK F0sw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=W+gVelf03l7sawq+hkQ65zcvFhaH63dWKP8Jp1LA1Tw=; b=qaZ2IzyFBRRs9thWlkmZHfKmbw5TsUlV/ICZLbDDm+AwmVuey1mgLFwpzQ47KeyRjb 5t918QfDO7NBVyvQeU6iJQfGlRWkROSS14GVAkRUURwH/brAFt8TG1orakIW3mHw63TK kvAu/631UNc77U3Dm3CdDAJEo+vwd+tMHn2CF7EouaSO3ZsPIHPv+sfE46VY4hIHiU5j tPhdEr0teozNgttf8nm6rohdXuBILNYmMkuV0B5IMG8H402J88z4hU4S4JpDZPjUEXVl l6Y1GF2LM9MmJG4ukOdjtGy9XZuGB/DW9FlJPpvJyhVCStGTqU9gZUl7MCXBocIPxbbJ 3OPg== X-Gm-Message-State: AHQUAua11EAjLvH1qqQIptJzMvHrpcx9mXwZrea1k7qLR1IeztvqsKBx hPNF5Y4Prs4SaZ7I2b8uX9+/nzOZQw6vT6GDumVFjg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AHgI3IbZO07FK+d5ApAaYeA3gLxy0Rf/xCAhxFH2/UQjtpvv/Z4PQzaDvnNQt9Tuay7t6AQdm9VN6krBAkx/5yPChsc= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:b68a:: with SMTP id u10mr19259913qvd.57.1550536683121; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 16:38:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7b25c1bf-5648-cd52-544b-828538a742d9@freebsd.org> <201902181512.x1IFCOwm005711@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> <20190218165053.GC2912@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> In-Reply-To: <20190218165053.GC2912@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> From: Warner Losh Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 17:37:52 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What is evdev and autoloading? To: Steve Kargl Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , Niclas Zeising , Stefan Blachmann , Vladimir Kondratyev , "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Current , owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 998028D7A0 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=cXlqfFjF X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.46 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.71)[-0.709,0]; IP_SCORE(-2.74)[ip: (-9.08), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.59), asn: 15169(-1.98), country: US(-0.07)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsdimp.com]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: ALT1.aspmx.l.google.com]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[8]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[0.3.8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 00:38:05 -0000 On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:50 AM Steve Kargl < sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 09:11:14AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > You do know these constant complaints about people trying to make things > > better is demoralizing and counter productive. > > > > You do realize some of the emails are from frustrated users > who are trying to make FreeBSD (see for example libm). > Yes. I get that. My frustration isn't with you, or your questions. I get why you want to run -current. I'm sorry it's being painful for you. Sometimes, -current is like that. Warner