From owner-freebsd-current Mon Dec 13 15: 2:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mailext02.compaq.com (mailext02.compaq.com [207.18.199.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B957A1515B for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:02:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: by mailext02.compaq.com (Postfix, from userid 12345) id 367819A82F; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:02:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailint01.im.hou.compaq.com (mailint01.compaq.com [207.18.199.34]) by mailext02.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE3890D82; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:02:14 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailint01.im.hou.compaq.com (Postfix, from userid 12345) id 0A596825EA; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:02:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from mojave.worldwide.lemis.com (unknown [155.186.83.42]) by mailint01.im.hou.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BF5178B44; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:02:06 -0600 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by mojave.worldwide.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01079; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 13:06:56 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 13:06:56 -0600 From: Greg Lehey To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: Kris Kennaway , Luoqi Chen , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired! Message-ID: <19991211130656.O760@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Reply-To: Greg Lehey References: <7881.944870115@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <7881.944870115@critter.freebsd.dk>; from phk@critter.freebsd.dk on Sat, Dec 11, 1999 at 12:55:15AM +0100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Saturday, 11 December 1999 at 0:55:15 +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message , Kris Ken > naway writes: > >> No-one (as far as I can see) is objecting to making ata the default (which >> it already is), and to kill wd in some number of weeks. Why can't you just >> do that, and put and end to this discussion happily? Will a few weeks >> really harm the development process? > > You overlook one simple thing here: If we want the ata driver > tested, we need to make existing kernel configs break, otherwise > people will not change them to use ata. We know this from bitter > experience. OK, so rename the wd driver to owd. Make it necessary to change the config in any way. Print out dire warnings on every boot and every config(8). > The removal of wd has many discrete steps, but the first one is to > make it clear to people that it is going away, this has been done > by now I belive. I think it has settled in, yes. > The next thing is to break all the kernel configs, this has yet to > happen, but it will happen real soon. This means that you have to > really insist badly to make the wd driver work for you. OK, as long as we have an alternative, such as I suggest above. > Once we have established that the new driver doesn't leave a large > number of people stranded it will be killed for good. The new driver? That's counterproductive :-) I'd like to see a definition of "large number". > What we need right NOW is for people to test the ata driver, and if > it doesn't work, to debug as well as they can and report in > excrutiating detail to sos so that he has a chance to analyze the > problems. Just saying "It doesn't work for me" will simply not do. > The more senior the person reporting, the more detail and quality > information should be able to expect. You're talking about different people here. Understand that the users of -CURRENT are numbered in the hundreds; the users of -RELEASE are numbered in the hundreds of thousands. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message